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Topic: Tell us what you think about the Ultra Enterprise servers.
- Date: Wed May 1 16:35:15 PDT 1996
The ability to easily ensure that a backup system can replace a down server
with minimal downtime. The ability to use faster newer servers to offload
computational workloads off of slower workstation clients is also important.
I think that the ultra servers serve many needs. I like processors in power
of 2 ( 1,2,4,8,16,32 ) configurations; is there any reason that the numbers
are power of 2 - 2 ( 2,6,14,30 ) past 1 processor ? Thanks, Robert
- Date: Thu May 2 03:24:18 PDT 1996
Since we are using more and more intranet/internet solutions (web, java,
with great reliablity to the clients. I'm preatty impressed about the
reviews and papers about Utra Technology and I'm really looking forward to
have one of such beasts pretty soon at our service.
- Date: Thu May 2 06:29:44 PDT 1996
Sun clearly has put together a high performance box. The real question for
Sun is whether it can leverage that box into new areas. The requirements for
those areas, including service, uptime, ease of integration with mainframes,
including systems management are significantly different from the
workstation server market.
- Date: Thu May 2 07:49:33 PDT 1996
the primary server issue is how much can i do in one box? we can no longer
just purchase a file/print server. it also has to do internet web, intranet
web, IMAP, database, and a whole host of other tasks, or we simply can't
justify it. the Web will not unify anything in particular on the back-end
(administration and development) but it will provide a much more flexible
front-end for users and eliminate large parts of the client- side hassle of
coding for different versions of different operating systems. haven't had a
lot of experience with the ultra enterprise servers. if they're anything
like the ultra workstations, though, i'd buy 'em and never blink an eye or
waste one erg of energy worrying about "did i make the right decision"
- Date: Thu May 2 09:03:40 PDT 1996
Cost is by far the most important issue, and I mean absolute cost, not
price/performance which is relative cost. I find that organizations never
budget for server purchases and thus a server is usually either a converted
desktop system or at least purchased with the same funds that would have
gone toward a desktop system. Web technologies are making organizations more
cognizant of the need for true servers, probably due to the terminology in
use. One uses a web browser to view pages from a web server... "I guess I
need a server machine to be the web server" Java is just a huge security
headache. It adds a huge burden to either properly control its access into
client systems or opens the door to attack from applets. Finally, Ultra
Enterprise servers... nice, but who has the money to puchase them?
- Date: Thu May 2 19:25:17 PDT 1996
Don't know. Unless it is easy to use/administer and the servers also have
cheap thin clients that shift the economics toward server centric computing
- they might as well be Alpha boxes. Your closer to DEC Alpha than you
- Date: Thu May 2 21:11:41 PDT 1996
Price/Performance seems to be the most important thing. Fast NFS (high
bandwidth buses) are also important. The OS must have the appropiate
applications base also. Solaris suites our needs with regard to the OS,
although we are eagerly awaiting the release of Solaris MC. The ultrasparcs
have finally given SUN some performance. However, I would like to see the
prices stay reasonable too.
- Date: Fri May 3 10:17:46 PDT 1996
I am very disappointed in the compute performance. We tested a 170 MHz
UltraSparc and it ran several of our CPU intensive jobs 20-40% slower than a
2 year old DEC Alpha workstation. And this is the same CPU that is going
into Sun's new high-end servers! DEC is still way ahead in terms of CPU
capability. We will need to get an UltraServer locally to test I/O
performance. I like Sun and Solaris and was hoping the new servers would
allow our organization to come closer to supporting one operating system - -
but Sun still can't compete in CPU performance.
- Date: Fri May 3 21:42:13 PDT 1996
security, availability, administration, and capacity are the main issues
that we see with servers. Never enough disk space, memory, or through put.
We upgraded the amount of disk space by adding 6 more gigs. It was all gone
within about 3 days. The users just brought out all the projects that were
waiting for disk space. Sunsheld helps keep the bad boys at bay on the
internet, but our main problem is with internal security. The bigger and
faster servers get, the easer it seems for people to get into trouble.
- Date: Mon May 6 10:23:39 PDT 1996
I would like to see a 2-4 cpu system that is under $45k.
- Date: Mon May 6 10:59:42 PDT 1996
Expandability and common parts are a big plus for Ultra Enterprise servers.
- Date: Mon May 6 15:36:12 PDT 1996
Sun needs 200Mhz Ultra Servers at a lower price point, and they need them
now. Sun is too complacent - many I talk to are considering Pentium Pro
machines running Solaris x86 or Windows NT. We need higher performance at
lower prices to remain loyal to Sun.
- Date: Tue May 7 11:40:28 PDT 1996
WE just purchased 2 Ultra server 3000's for running an Oracle database. As
long as SUN continues to improve price/performance, we will continue to
- Date: Wed May 8 07:18:16 PDT 1996
Current server configurations are *slow* !!! I think we are approaching the
limit on 10 Mbps ethernet and would like to see a standardized high speed of
100 Mbps on any network. I have worked on Ultra's and I think that they are
extremely good to work with, fast network speeds, F/W SCSI etc etc. I think
the Ultra architecture will stay for some time to come and will provide for
a seamless solution for Web and Java integration.
- Date: Mon May 13 10:51:23 PDT 1996
The Ultra servers are good, but the DEC Alpha servers are faster. If the
Ultra's don't catch up many of our customers will start migrating their
Oracle DB's to Alpha's
- Date: Mon May 13 13:17:52 PDT 1996
The projects I currently work on would benefit from greater hardware and
software support for redundant configurations, including better recovery
from peripheral failure (disk/net) and better access to OS/hardware states.
- Date: Tue May 14 09:30:10 PDT 1996
We will soon be deploying a global client-server network of SPARCstations.
The Ultra Enterprise server will be a key component for our main central
server, as it has many fault-tolerant features (previously we had planned to
buy two SPARC 20's and write custom code to switchover if one failed) which
should lead to improved customer confidence in our network. We'll probably
use the Ultra Enterprise 3000 because it has all the features of the larger
systems with the smallest outward dimensions and cost, while still providing
ample expansion room (6 CPU's, lots of RAM and 10 disks). We may use Java
for some components (user interface in particular) of our custom software,
but I plan to suggest CORBA (e.g. Sun's NEO) and C++ for the major
components (which, thanks to Sun's Joe, interoperates well with Java over
- Date: Mon May 20 01:06:49 PDT 1996
Key issue is sufficient throughput to enable Java stuff to work well. Also
depends on network capabilities.
- Date: Mon May 20 10:06:18 PDT 1996
Don't over emphasize Java. MEET TODAY's NEEDS FIRST! Good Servers
- Date: Wed May 22 10:48:04 PDT 1996
As we use both OLTP and DSS on the same server in the same time frames, it
is critical that we employ a server with enough CPU and i/o power to handle
these tasks. It is also important that we have scalability for future
expansion (mainframe to client-server). The new Sun Ultra servers seem to
offer those attributes at a price/performance that leaves current HP and Dec
offerings to shame (although the new HP servers may be good, they're not
here yet). RS6000 is hardly worth mentioning. We see Web technologies
expanding into areas previously held by Powerbuilder etal. Deployment of
intranet software is going to be a lot easier to manage than distributing
applications over multiple Novell file servers. It will probably lead to
bigger but fewer servers; with TCP/IP becoming preeminent as a transport
protocol and corporate bandwidth increasing, Web servers will access
databases over the wide-area network. We don't see NT or Novell as serious
players in that configuration; the performance or support infrastructure
just isn't there yet.
- Date: Wed May 29 12:35:53 PDT 1996
They are a great family of servers. Because of the computing power they
provide, I'm able to really simplify the engineering of our product so that
I can install every piece of software on the same box. Entreprise 3000 has
only one disk controller so there is the possibility for an i/o bottleneck
there. Also if you want to do disk mirroring, this only controller becomes a
single point of failure. E3000 should have two internal controllers each
talking to 5 disks.
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