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Sun/Apple merger? Readers react
SunWorld Online readers favor Sun's buying Apple
By Mark Cappel
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We gave SunWorld Online readers the chance to comment in essay form on the notion of Sun buying Apple Computer, and many seized that opportunity. We share our readers thoughts received from February 1 through February 26, 1996.
The comments are reproduced as received; only some minor spelling and punctuation errors have been corrected. -- Editors
Topic: Tell us what you think about a Sun/Apple merger
- Date: Thu Feb 1 09:32:30 PST 1996
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I think that Sun shouldn't buy Apple. What would they gain? What assets
does Apple have that make it worth the price? The UI? Certainly not. After
all, OpenLook was conceptually superior to the Mac's ui. Hardware
expertise? No. Sun has demonstrated that it can build hardware in a more
cost-effective fashion than Apple.
- Date: Thu Feb 1 09:48:09 PST 1996
- Apple needs to be purchased by a company that knows the value of cutting
edge software technology and has the management expertise to forecast
market demand accurately.
- Date: Thu Feb 1 11:08:57 PST 1996
- I'm going to use this to answer some of the questions for which the
multiple choices didn't seem appropriate. Apple is a unique company, with
its own culture and technology. The marketplace seems to expect Apple's
product prices to be competitive with those from the Wintel consortium. To
me, that's an unreasonable expectation, since Apple must incur all of the
software R&D costs, whereas most vendors of Wintel products have no such
costs, simply reselling their hardware with MS Windows (or Windows 95).
Furthermore, the Wintel community has nine times the installed base of
Macintoshes, and obtains certain economies of scale as a result. (Note
that the larger corporations in that community - IBM, H-P, Digital -
cannot match the prices of the dedicated resellers - Dell, Gateway,
Micron.) So Apple is in a tough spot, made even tougher by management
errors that go back a long time (pre-Spindler), and by a media feeding
frenzy that seems bent on discouraging corporate buyers from continuing to
buy from Apple. As a result, Apple may be forced into a merger strategy.
To me, mergers rarely work. A few people at the top of the acquired
company make out well financially, but the organizational, cultural, and
product combinations often take a long time to be rationalized, during
which time many of the key technical contributors leave. For those
reasons, I think it would be better if Apple were able to remain
independent. Since that is increasingly unlikely, Sun and SGI are better
partners than most of the others that have been suggested in your list
(Fujitsu!?#). They are also more geographically desirable.
- Date: Thu Feb 1 12:54:21 PST 1996
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Keep PowerPC line, Printers. Discontinue 68060 line
- Date: Thu Feb 1 15:29:02 PST 1996
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I'm not a SPARC/Solaris user, but I like both. If the two companies merged
your products will not discontinue. Sun is 1st vendor of net servers,
Apple is the 2nd. Java/HotJava is great, OpenDoc too,
QuickTime/Conferencing/VR/QuickDraw
3D/3DMF/VRML/Multimedia/MacOS/Copland/etc. are great too. Sun/Apple
hard&soft technologies are great. I think the bad think at Apple are the
war-marketing and commercial strategies. And Windows95 is a stone bluff!
PS-Excuse me for my written English.
- Date: Thu Feb 1 16:40:59 PST 1996
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A merger between Sun and Apple would be great. I own two Macs and one
UltraSPARC and I own Apple stock, so I have a stake in this question. I
use the Mac's for multimedia development (using ScriptX) and I will be
using the UltraSPARC for GIS and remote sensing applications. Apple has
what Sun needs -- solid multimedia technologies. Sun/Solaris combined with
Apple multimedia technologies would be a winner against Silicon Graphics,
and be competitive against the Wintel steamroller. Sun has what Apple
needs -- a solid reputation in the business market, and a commanding
presence in Internet technologies. A merged Sun/Apple would be more than
the sum of its two parts, in my opinion. Go for it, but please not at the
insulting $23/share. Apple is worth more, much more, than its current book
value. Like Sun, Apple has a history of innovation and excellence (unlike
the brainless dolts pushing least common denominator hardware products in
the Wintel camp. Share and spread both companies technologies throughout
both product lines, but otherwise keep the two product lines distinct.
- Date: Thu Feb 1 16:45:33 PST 1996
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Sun is going to lose a lot of money if it buys Apple. The upside is that
it will have a possible entrance into the home. The downside is that sun
will probably try to change Apple too much, and lose that entrance. Apple,
on the other hand, has incompetence at the top-level management. Not to
mention that it pays way too much in wages for unskilled labor. All the
innovative people at Apple have left. Its time to sell the remaining hulk
to someone who knows what to do with it.
- Date: Thu Feb 1 17:26:21 PST 1996
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Drop SPARC, creating a Apple-Sun-IBM-Motorola alliance.
- Date: Thu Feb 1 17:44:47 PST 1996
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The merger could help Sun because Sun currently lacks a low end P.C. in
the marketplace. In addition, Apple does have a significant following in
the art world and also in Publishing. The addition of Mac developers of
GUI coupled with Sun's leadership in connectivity could leapfrog Apple to
the mainstream user community. They don't necessarily have to run the Mac
GUI on SPARC, what about a Java/MacOS combination to compete against
windows 95? I understand it would be a tall order but it could improve
Apples marketshare from Sun's competition without affecting Sun's market.
- Date: Thu Feb 1 17:50:34 PST 1996
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Sun should purchase Apple (if the price is right -- read low) and use the
customer base to create client machines for Java and other network related
technologies. Apple's multimedia and consumer level name recognition could
give Sun more horsepower in taking on Microsoft on the internet. Sun is
still a real technology company, while Apple fired its best technologists
years ago -- this merger could allow Apple technologies to begin to show
some real innovative ideas again. If Sun buys Apple and does nothing
decidedly different with Apple's technology than the Mac, Sun will lose
big to MS and Bill's minions.
- Date: Thu Feb 1 18:16:32 PST 1996
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Migrate to a common interface (Copeland/solaris). Capitalize on the
development of Apple's New open network transport. The new transport
sounds like the ideal answer to Microsoft NT. Sun would benefit from a
network solution providing intolerability with major NOS's such as NT and
Novell. Sun could bundle Banyan's ENS for simple administration and
centralized management of their network. Sun should deploy Macintosh as
its solution to corporate desktop and home multimedia systems. Spark
stations should focus on high-end workstations and servers. Spark servers
should rely on TCP/IP for networking, but push corporate networking using
Apple's new transport.
- Date: Thu Feb 1 18:40:50 PST 1996
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Hard to tell! Both companies are in totally market segment. But the line
between two markets seems to be merging in last few year. Get in mind
that Apple has a big name in the international market.
- Date: Thu Feb 1 19:35:51 PST 1996
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It would be good for both companies. In a nutshell, Sun has great hardware
but a mediocre OS, while Apple has mediocre hardware but a great OS. Sun
have always had excellent hardware, and now even more so with the
UltraSPARC processors and CREATOR/3DRAM graphics. But Sun's appeal to the
mass computer market has always been badly hurt by a perceived image of
Unix being "hard to use". Solaris has some great technical advantages
(multitasking, multi-processor support, multi-user design, security etc),
but the fact that the user interface has changed drastically *3* times
(SunView, OpenLook, CDE) in the six years since the SPARCstation 1 is a
good indication that the GUIs were pretty bad, especially compared to the
nice friendly Macintosh interface which is so popular with end users that
it has remained basically the same since 1984! Apple, on the other hand,
have always had this great interface, but have never had really *great*
hardware. Even back in the mid-to-late 80's, the Amiga's hardware was way
ahead of the Macintosh. And today, although the PowerMac's are quite nice
machines, its difficult to get high end graphics performance (3D in
particular) out of a PowerMac. You just cant buy a Macintosh which can
match an Ultra/CREATOR3D or an SGI Indigo2/IMPACT. So a lot of people who
want such a machine are forced to go for Unix just because its the only OS
which runs on these high end machines. So it seems to me that a Sun/Apple
merger would give both companies a big advantage. The combined SnApple
company could put the nice Mac interface onto the technically superior
Solaris core OS, and offer this ne
- Date: Thu Feb 1 19:47:09 PST 1996
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I don't think a merger would be good for either company. According to a
recent article in Newsweek, Sun is just out looking for a bargain. I
bought Apple stock at $34, and I'd like to see you offer at least $40, but
indications are you will only offer $23. That sucks. Why doesn't Sun merge
or buyout Silicon Graphics. They seem to be more in tune with what you are
doing. You can combine market share with them and really have a great
combination! Leave Apple alone. Let Motorola buy the out. That type of
deal makes more sense to both companies. Apple already buys Motorola chips
and Motorola buys Apple computers. I am not even going to talk about what
products to keep or discontinue. I know I will never vote for merger
approval. LEAVE APPLE ALONE. Also, your survey was unfair. You asked why
Apple lost $69 million. Why don't you mention they sold a record number of
units. All they have to do is streamline manufacturing and they can regain
profitability at current price levels. Sometimes I wonder if you guys
really know what the hell you are doing. Thank you for letting me vent my
frustrations.
- Date: Thu Feb 1 20:00:54 PST 1996
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Merger will be Apple's only way to remain innovative. Sun could receive a
solid base of users. Networking is the future. These two companies working
together could bring a new world in computer business.
- Date: Thu Feb 1 21:42:04 PST 1996
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I feel a merger would benefit both companies. I believe Sun would bring a
more structured management style to Apple without limiting innovation,
while Apple would bring instant access to the consumer and desktop
publishing market. Possibly the most exciting consequence of the merger
would be for users of the Internet. By offering more innovation for
Internet users, I feel "SnApple" would be able to better penetrate the
Internet market and stave off the total domination of the computer
software industry by Microsoft.
- Date: Fri Feb 2 01:08:26 PST 1996
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Apple has proven it's ability to develop exceptional new technologies and
bring them to it's users first. The cost of being at the forefront of it's
market (high-end PC, low end workstation, whatever you want to call it)
was almost happily absorbed by the user base. It was worth dumping large
amounts of money into the system because professionals could actually do
paying work, work that looks good without spending huge amounts of money
on low-distribution Unix software. Apple has successfully created a
- Date: Fri Feb 2 02:50:45 PST 1996
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A well managed merger could be good for both companies. Apple and Sun sell
into some similar markets at different levels. Problems would arise with
what to do over CPU architecture and OS. Sun SPARC chips seem to be
falling a long way behind the competition in performance yet their prices
remains high. Apples hardware division could be used to manufacture new
business oriented java workstations which would run from Sun servers. Sun
could make could use of the work Apple has done on getting 680x0 code to
run on the PowerPC platform, some of the techniques they use to speed up
this emulation code be used in Java interpreters. Maybe Sun could drop
SPARC chips into Apple boxes to replace the current SPARC 4/5 models and
PowerPC chips could be put into high end Sun boxes to give SMP PowerPC
systems, that way a complete range of systems would exist for both
processors.
- Date: Fri Feb 2 04:42:24 PST 1996
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Discontinue the new work on the Copeland version of MacOS, use the PowerPC
version of Solaris instead. Focus on an outstanding developers kit to
accompany the new Solaris/MacOS product. Port the Mac GUI to Solaris -- if
Apple's AUX GUI is in fair shape, it might be a start. Focus on getting
developers onto the new Solaris MacOS make recompilation to SPARC Solaris
"real easy."
- Date: Fri Feb 2 04:44:45 PST 1996
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Good for both. Merge the structure and products along the CHRP and PCI
lines, changing them on the way accordingly.
- Date: Fri Feb 2 04:49:53 PST 1996
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Sun would be putting its wood behind a number of different arrows again,
this would be bad.
- Date: Fri Feb 2 06:16:56 PST 1996
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The only reason I can see is to leverage the Solaris server capabilities
with a smaller footprint desktop system and gain all the committed Mac
users as Sun customers. People use Macs because they are easy. They like
the Mac interface and the fact that it runs Word and Excel, Powerpoint
etc. I doubt that the Mac would survive very long without the ability to
run Microsoft applications. Maybe the Internet terminal concept could be
accelerated by low end Macs?
- Date: Fri Feb 2 07:10:49 PST 1996
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I think that from Sun's point of view Apple could make sense because it
would complete Sun's internet portfolio. Apple macs are currently a very
popular platform among internet content creators. Other benefits would be
Apple's brand name and market share. I don't think that Apple has much to
offer technology-wise.
- Date: Fri Feb 2 07:44:24 PST 1996
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I think it would be good for both companies if both companies were allowed
to continue to work in the areas they are strongest in. I think the best
thing Apple can gain from the merger is Sun's financial strength. Sun
could really benefit from Apple's expertise is the desktop OS business and
in Apple's strength is integrating the Mac OS seamlessly with hardware
for a truly plug-and-play architecture. Apple would gain Sun's expertise
in server class systems and OS. The best thing that could happen, should
the merger go through, is each company be allowed to function as
independent business units with lots of technology sharing.
- Date: Fri Feb 2 08:04:46 PST 1996
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A merger would bring more credibility to Apple, while at the same time
give Sun access to new market segments previously un touched. The merger
would also aid in the release of Sun's "toaster", as well as the porting
of Sun/Solaris technology into the mainstream. By giving Sun access to its
customer base, Sun will be able to more quickly penetrate the home/small
office/small network customer base. Two points worry me, though. First,
the cultures of the two organizations must meld. The human talent at each
company comprise their most valuable assets. Secondly, the translation
back and forth from MacOS to Sun's systems (and vice versa) must be
flawless. I understand there is a precedence with the Macintosh
Application Environment for Solaris, but when you are talking about
complete integration, I worry that the compatibility is not 100%. I think
that Apple needs a suitor, and barring divine intervention, I see Sun as
not only the most likely white knight, but one of the finer suits for
Apple.
- Date: Fri Feb 2 11:41:18 PST 1996
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It's good for Sun, it it can buy Apple(11B$/6.2B$). {Life without money -
> DEC:-( ). But only way to do is make internet toasters, or make
something absolutely new.
- Date: Fri Feb 2 13:13:36 PST 1996
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A merger would be good for Sun because it gives them an entry into the low
end PC market (home, small business).
- Date: Fri Feb 2 13:16:47 PST 1996
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The Mac OS is by far the strongest asset the company has and frankly all
hype aside, there is no other product that provides the same ease of use
and conceptual (for the end user) integration of the GUI and the
underlying structure. Almost as strong is Apple's line of hardware.
Incredible reliable, high user loyalty, high perceived value. The only
thing I would lose would be the performa end of the spectrum -- too many,
too similar models and the clone market is better suited to dukking it out
in that kind of low-margin market. I'd focus Sun on the networking and
server end of life and focus Apple on the desktop and departmental server
side of life. Apple makes arguably the best personal workstation in the
market. focus on the OS and putting Mac's on desktops and Keep the Sun
hardware at the server level.
- Date: Fri Feb 2 14:03:13 PST 1996
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I think Sun and Apple's hardware lines should stay separate and continue
to stay ahead of forming technology.The PowerPC Platform is good news to
both companies and they should combine the best qualities between both
Solaris and MacOS to make the next generation of super powerful personal
computer Operating Systems. This would give Sun a larger customer base and
Apple new found power ion the OS and strength against both Sun and Apple's
Biggest threat "Wintel". Both OSes have very good points but they could
help each other in the long run. The internet already is hosted by mostly
Sun and Apple servers this would make a very powerful alliance for the
future of the internet and personal computers in general. In my opinion
the deal with Sun is profitable for both companies and as a Mac user I
would enjoy the power of the two companies combined. I would stay a
customer for life if that's the case, I couldn't ask for a better setup to
stay on the cutting edge of technology for years to come! Please start the
revolution and give new meaning to powerful computer systems from net
boxes through personal computers through workstations through
supercomputers this would change the world. You have my vote!!!!
- Date: Fri Feb 2 14:15:50 PST 1996
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All I ask is for an intuitive GUI, a solid OS and plug-n-play
connectivity. I bought Apple products when nothing was cross-platformable
and it was the standard for the graphic design community. Now that a lot
of the components are standard and applications can share files, I'm not
particular as to system... except, I have a significant investment in Mac
software and I want an easy interface.
- Date: Fri Feb 2 15:56:55 PST 1996
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- It would be great for Sun to take their high-end technology and bring it
to a more attainable desktop configuration for average users. Like a cross
between the PowerMacintosh 8500 and the SPARC 5.
- Apple would then be
handled by a much more organized (or at least seemingly) and well managed
company. Apple could also get more of their machines into business
markets that Sun already has. These two companies would become the
ultimate Internet solution. Sun fantastic servers and system software
combined with the Macintosh's design and networking strengths.
- Sun
still keeps their hardware and software lines. The Macintosh products
would get a facelift and be updated with better multi-processor
capability. Plus, perhaps Sun could produce new Macintosh products on
time.
- Keep Sun's 2000, 1000 and 20 lines. Produce medium-range (Power
Macintosh 7500) machines based on Macintosh platform to replace all of
Sun's lower-end machines. And, produce a high-end Macintosh-based machine
(PM8500/9500) to provide performance near the SPARC 20. Keep Solaris 2.5
and port Copeland to run on SPARC machines but, also
- Dump all of Apple's
products below the 7500. The Performa platform should be killed. Focus on
medium to high-end machines for design and Internet/Networking
connectivity.
- Date: Fri Feb 2 18:00:44 PST 1996
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I would absolutely keep the PowerMacs. Keep up licensing of MacOS. Merge
Sun and Apple Internet resources. Don't produce so many Mac configs. Keep
it simple and clean. Use lets say three main lines and just change the
interior. Give each line a name. Ex. Arthur, Lancelot and Gawaine. So give
them two numbers for processor and MHz. Like this: Arthur 604/150 Arthur
604/100 Lancelot 603/200 Lancelot 603/150 Lancelot 603/100 Gawaine 601/120
This way it would be easy to learn how to analyze the product line, even
for a newcomer. The product line of Apple today is to confusing and names
don't give You any information.
- Date: Fri Feb 2 18:04:35 PST 1996
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I think the companies could gain a great deal on the information and patent
exchanges areas. Giving Sun a truly usable user interface (cf
OpenLook/Motif). Apple's MacOS is a good product from a user point of view
but it just does not have the power of a flexible OS like Solaris 2.5.
Best case is to continue developing SPARC and PowerPC Hardware. Develop a
common SuperOS which is OO (join Pink / Spring / Taligent and NextStep)
into a common OS with a Truly great GUI, and license it to all comers.
In the short term, push forward the develop of Apple MAE for Unix
platforms and get companies (esp Adobe who seem to be buying everything in
sight) to release MAE versions of software to see if the public want Mac
ease of use on Unix boxes and X terminals I believe they would.
- Date: Fri Feb 2 18:07:04 PST 1996
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I would use the Mac GUI on the Solaris OS and open it to the Internet re
the JAVA approach. All apps should be open DOC.
- Date: Fri Feb 2 19:09:42 PST 1996
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Apple: continue OS development Keep Apple execs out of Sun try to keep
education market continue network development
- Date: Fri Feb 2 19:28:16 PST 1996
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I think it would be great for Sun. 22 million Apple customers become Sun
customers! And they are all looking for a new leader. Good for Apple? Of
course, because it's good for Apple customers. Sun has a leader with
vision and brains. As for structure put them both under one roof. Build
great computers with even better software. From desktop machine used in
homes and schools to mainframes used to power the internet. As for
products, I'd sell two low end models something like a Performa 6300, keep
the 7500, 8500 and 9500, three laptop models a low, midrange and high end
model, that's it! As for other products I would push the Newton with a new
lower price. Price it so someone who can't afford a laptop would buy it.
As for some of Apples other products, I'd push some of them like the
GeoPort nobody knows about it, drop the scanners, and get printer prices
in line with HP's. Lastly, hire Jobs back! and buy the company that
developed software that will allow the Mac OS to run on an Intel based
computer.
- Date: Fri Feb 2 20:23:56 PST 1996
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Use Sun marketing, sales and infrastructure Get rid of Apple management
Keep some of the Apple culture and high energy marketing Add more of the
Apple fun to Sun Port the Apple O/S to the Sun platform -- result SuperMac
- Date: Fri Feb 2 21:57:14 PST 1996
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Institute adult management at all levels. Keep selling Mac, MacOS, make
MacGUI & apps run on Solaris. Keep up research, so MS (billg's company)
will be *second* to marked with advanced technology. Eventually people
will get it. **Get Claris apps working on Suns. This would be great in
University settings where lots of unix machines used but where unix folk
don't have decent word processors, spreadsheets, easy-to-use databases.
That's the situation at the University of Utah Math Dept. where I work.
Make easy to use (by non-geeks) Sun file/webservers. Lots of people is
small business, university departments, need these, but can't afford unix
support staff. Example: the nonprofit org my wife works for: Sundance
Institute. They use lots of macs for everything including fileservers.
Performance not great, but this is balanced by not needing a sysadmin.
Would be better to have high performance fileservers as easy to set up as
a Mac with Appleshare. Macs good as client machines, push them. Push Java.
- Date: Fri Feb 2 22:12:23 PST 1996
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Would probably be good for both Sun and Apple because it would expand each
of their product lines. Sun doesn't have a consumer or low end line, while
Apple's high end line is not widely used (or perceived as being used) in
the high powered corporate world. The merger of the two would give them a
broader spectrum product line and, if the compatibility issues were
resolved satisfactorily, an excellent product progression line. It would
provide a more viable option of integrating the home/office than is now
available from either individually, and would be a much better alternative
than the WinTel arrangement which rumbles on because of inertia in the
corporate world.
- Date: Fri Feb 2 23:08:04 PST 1996
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These are comments from someone who has never used a Mac for more than 30
seconds and is certainly not literate about the intricacies of comparative
operating systems. Instead they come from someone who
- follows financial
news fairly closely
- is aware of the true devotion of Mac users to their
hardware.
- who managed to pass an anti-trust course in law school
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uses a lot of Microsoft equipment
- is extremely leery about the
dominance of Microsoft in the computer world.
It appears to me that Apple
is in an extremely precarious financial position and also that its
loss would be disastrously deleterious to the computer world and to
contemporary concepts of fair trade. In short, I perceive an almost
insoluble dilemma posed by the existence of two essentially disparate
operating systems that, alas, in the final analysis do pretty much the
same thing. Sony was able to survive the demise of Betamax because of a
pre-existing product diversity. I am not aware whether or not Apple
possesses similar resources. I can only hope that the financial advice
that both Sun and Apple are receiving is coming from a source less myopic
than devotees of a particular operating system and more concerned with the
healthiness and progress of an electronic industry beneficial to
consumers rather than individual corporate success or failure.
- Date: Sat Feb 3 00:11:18 PST 1996
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The computer world is going to be dominated by few Operating Systems and I
would like to see more Solaris 2.5 running in large corporations. I would
NOT spend any money in Apple but invest in making Solaris more affordable
by "home PC". This is in my opinion the place where most people become
familiar with a computing environment. I would create a decent alternative
to WORD6.x and Excel. Make Solaris affordable and competitive with NT.
Please concentrate all energy and money to create a valid alternative to
Microsoft. I will be very happy to avoid the "CNTRL ALT DEL" sequence.
- Date: Sat Feb 3 01:07:50 PST 1996
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It's good for "all-from-one" marketing reason, but wrong for technologies
merge. SoftWar with "Wintel" line haven't easy solution.
- Date: Sat Feb 3 01:12:14 PST 1996
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Develop the strong hold that Apple has on the publishing market and expand
(Power PC) based hardware. Offer Os to broad usage couple with a DEll or
Gateway. Sun use the Apple base to strengthen position of work stations
(upgrade path) in visual/publish/entertainment development. Make the
brilliance of the OS intellectual property the standard and build a fun,
easy to use but extremely powerful platform. By the way do it today, I'm
in printing industry and need to recommend a prepress system and don't
want a W
- Date: Sat Feb 3 08:01:43 PST 1996
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I have seen some of the Power of SPARCStations but never really got to use
the Solaris software. Apple needs someone like Sun to be able to be free
thinking and come up with new technologies. Although some of what Sun does
conflicts with Apple, they can work together to make everything better.
Apple needs to be able to continue creating high powered
Hardware/Software. An Apple Server with a SPARC Chip would sway lots of
people from the DEC Alpha/Windows NT server trend. Most importantly Sun must
buy Apple to get CEO Michael Spindler out. He is a moron. A company that
can't sell $1 billion in back-orders should be examined.
- Date: Sat Feb 3 08:08:19 PST 1996
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Kick spindler Out. Keep PowerPC as a consumer, business desktop machine.
Use Mac OS in a SPARCstation for servers. Keep Companies Separate but
equal. Treat Apple Software like IBM/Lotus. Think about selling Hardware
line to Compaq/ IBM
- Date: Sat Feb 3 08:30:51 PST 1996
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Assuming Sun purchases Apple, the relationship might be similar to Pepsi
owning Kentucky Fried Chicken. The owner does not necessarily make
business decisions; only ensures the long-term strategic objectives of
both companies complement each other. Sun, if it were to buy Apple, might
break up Apple into multiple firms (a la Sun's planets). These "Applets"
could be positioned so that the Apple platform is open for competition
from the clone industry. Apple hardware, operating system, and
applications should be distinct business entities. In any case, as Sun and
Apple cater to different markets, it is best if the synergy between the
two remains minimal from the standpoint of computer technology overlap. If
anything, Sun and Apple should consider a buyout only if it makes sound
investment sense -- in this regard, Apple could be bought by any investor
capable of drawing up a business plan for Apple. Conclusion: there is no
inherent reasons why Sun must or must not buy Apple. If Sun were to buy,
then Sun's role should be limited to turning Apple around as a business.
Sun should not attempt to merge or port the two companies' technologies.
This is for the market to decide.
- Date: Sat Feb 3 09:06:34 PST 1996
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It will be good for sun provided the products are kept separate. The two
companies are identified for very different product lines and perhaps the
only common feature they share is that both of them are computer hardware
companies. Merging the products could well mean creation of an entirely
new type of product whose effective commercial promotion, to establish it
in the world market-place, could take a very long time. At the present
time, Sun is identified, with its distinct logo, as the maker of very high
quality, powerful computers which are also regarded as very affordable
and thus find places in advanced industries, research, teaching and the
like. Apple, on the other hand is looked upon as specializing in
relatively low performance but much more user friendly computers for
people with less advanced computer needs and who certainly aren't after
huge computing powers. As such it is very successful in its own marketing
niche. People who are thinking of buying Apple computer(s) or who are
already `hooked' on Mac's are the are extremely unlikely to go for
`traditional' Sun computers and vice-versa. This all means that in the
case of a merger it would be wise for the merged companies to keep
separate product lines with some enhancements to each from the other one.
In my opinion, the merger will be good for Sun as it would secure a strong
foothold in the desktop market and will thus grow in its overall marketing
clout. As for Apple, it will gain from becoming larger and thus having
more critical mass as well as having, we hope, a better management
structure. Apple could also benefit from Sun's technology like ultrasparc
and Sun's strength in network
- Date: Sat Feb 3 09:09:21 PST 1996
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I would kill Apple's Performa line, Merge the MacOS with Solaris, and
market the PowerMac line specifically to graphic design and multimedia.
- Date: Sat Feb 3 09:54:46 PST 1996
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I would use Apple Macintosh and other Apple products as a separate
division, so use the Apple software with the high performance SPARC and
UltraSPARC chips, (keeping the ROMs inside the beloved Macintosh, of
course), and Marketing them under a new logo. For added profit, sell
limited product lines of the regular SPARC and Solaris and Macintosh
lines, keeping the hard-core users happy. The key to keeping the Apple-Sun
mix good is keeping the users happy. You have to keep the ROM that has all
our toolbox calls the same, our developers will have a tough time
adjusting. Remember, keep the ROM the same and you keep the developers in
the Macintosh community faithful, increasing your profit. Please don't
ignore this, if you do, this might payoff about as much buying a blank
sheet of paper for $20. A faithful user of
Macintosh and SPARC
- Date: Sat Feb 3 09:59:52 PST 1996
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Keep both companies as autonomous as possible Introduce new/ merge
existing `New Technologies' group(s) to collaborate on projects like Java
that can be implemented on both systems Form new temporary group whose
sole purpose is to examine Apple's technologies and investigate their
implementation in Solaris, and vice versa. Keep company names the same,
but introduce SnApple as the generic way of referring to both together.
- Date: Sat Feb 3 12:09:59 PST 1996
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Yes it would be good for Sun. It would allow them to expand there
excellent knowledge of Hardware and Software into the home market, and
broaden their business market. The best thing for them would be to take
the solid Solaris Unix core, and fuse it with the very usable Mac GUI. A
solid, multi-tasking, robust OS is what the industry needs. Sun has the
robust, multi-tasking OS. Apple has the very usable GUI.
- Date: Sat Feb 3 13:39:54 PST 1996
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Your questions are far too tough for a mere scholar of English and
Anthropology. I don't know a damned thing about how to run a business, so
I guess I'll come at you from a consumer's perspective.
- "By all means,
do nothing to offend the Natives!" That is, if you do indeed purchase
Apple, DO NOT IMPLEMENT ANY LAYOFFS. The consumers will foster great
respect for your company if you heed this advice. The shareholders might
be a little miffed at the beginning, but in the long-run, you will look
good in the eye of the consumer and will inevitably pick up more business.
- Apple and Sun products would probably do best to retain their
respective logos, hardware, software, etc, but every effort should be made
to make the two fully compatible. For example, we've been hearing an awful
lot of rumors that both MTV and VH1 are owned by the same company. The two
maintain distinctively different programming, catering to different
audiences (head-banger rock and rap groups versus "mellower" pop fans).
Still, the two do not compete with each other and their programs are often
similarly-structured.
- Macintoshes have a really bad reputation for bugs
(net-surfers call Macs "Machine Always Crashes").
If you buy Apple, please
do what you can to fix this damnable situation! Also, if you can figure
out some way to make the price of the Powerbooks a little more reasonable,
consumers will sing your praises for all eternity. Good luck! --Chieftain
- Date: Sat Feb 3 14:38:57 PST 1996
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I've used both Sun and Apple computers since college and they've always
complemented each others capabilities. I would like to see the Mac
interface more tightly integrated into the Solaris environment. MAE is
awesome!!! I'd like to see the Mac interface become standard on Solaris
eventually evolving towards OpenStep. Drop CDE!!! It Sucks! :)
- MacOS --
Great content development platform
- Solaris -- Great server platform
- MacOS -
Beautiful User Interface in Search of an OS
- Solaris - Great OS in search
of an Interface
- Internet - The Ultimate Lab for Client/Server
Hmmm... You
could do some great product bundles using Mac and Netra servers for Web
Publishing. Makes too much sense.
- Date: Sat Feb 3 14:40:13 PST 1996
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Trust that it would be. You have to be more aggressive then Apple ever
was. They had a good machine, but dropped the ball. The PC market is just
loaded with clones of IBN PC's.
- Date: Sat Feb 3 14:52:53 PST 1996
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Your valuation of an offer for Apple stock is right on target. What you
are buying is a firm geared for the market of 1983. Sun has the
technological capability and reputation to make a killing in the mid-range
workstation market without any help at all from Apple. Let the users put
Windows 95 and NT on your hardware if they want to do that instead of
Solaris. Look for someone strong to team with, not someone weak to take
over. How do thing they became weak?
- Date: Sat Feb 3 14:56:17 PST 1996
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I think that a Sun/Apple merger could be good for Sun all around, good for
Apple's business customers, and good for the industry by forming worthy
competition to Microsoft/Intel. Instead of just a port of current Mac
interface to run on top of Solaris, I would enhance the Mac interface to
integrate Java and an optimized Solaris and support this combination on
PowerPC, SPARC, and Intel. Since Sun is very successful and profitable in
the mid-end to high-end workstation market as well as the server market I
would not change this drastically right away. Sun needs to make a plan to
aggressively take on the work-group server market, especially Windows NT.
The PowerMac product line is fine hardware but whether or not it can be
profitable in the low end PC market is difficult to say. If it is not
profitable then discontinue it or sell it to Motorola. This would be bad
for Apple's home customer's in the short term but the Intel based
commodity hardware is what is driving the profit's of the low end market
down.
- Date: Sat Feb 3 15:09:59 PST 1996
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I would keep both the products for now and in the near future get the
best from both worlds and make an ultimate OS. And have the OS called
`Microsoft your turn.' I would think it would be an excellent merge. I Use
SPARC-Solaris and have always been a Mac user. I think this is an
opportunity for Sun to get into Home PC market. So, Yes it is good for
Sun. For Apple? Well, if the financial troubles are what they are said to
be, then Yes. Structure of the combined company: Let it morph with time.
For the present let it remain two separate entities.
- Date: Sat Feb 3 16:03:10 PST 1996
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I'm of the opinion that Sun buying Apple could do nothing but good for
Apple, and would likely be a smart move for Sun as well. I've long
believed that Apple was the only company that could make a dent in
Microsoft's dominance in the personal computer market. Now that Microsoft
is intent on ruling the internet, where Unix is currently king, Sun has a
rather compelling reason to have some influence on the personal computer
market. Taking the MacOS and porting it to multiple platforms, including
intel, and SPARC could do nothing but good for Apple, and couldn't hurt
the sales of Sun hardware either. I've been a NeXTstep user since the
beginning and porting their OS to multiple platforms and becoming a
software company helped them quite a bit. Apple finds itself in the
position it's in now because it failed to meet demand of the profitable
high end machines. It needs to scrap what its losing money on and focus on
what it can make money on, and one of the things it can make money on is a
superior operating system. If I had to choose between Win95/NT or the
MacOS, I'd choose the MacOS without a doubt. PC hardware is cheap and
plentiful and getting faster all the time. Porting the MacOS to many
platforms would be a money maker and start eroding Microsoft's dominance
of the PC market. Sun makes great servers. Apple makes great consumer
machines. Both have a lot to gain from a merger.
- Date: Sat Feb 3 16:09:09 PST 1996
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Sun would be the dominant company. Apple would simply have to employ the
same good skills as Sun and rebuild. The are dead in the water otherwise,
and this is bad for Mac users, PC users and the computer industry as a
whole.
- Date: Sat Feb 3 16:21:30 PST 1996
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Yes on both. The merger would provide Sun with consumer credibility in
promoting Hot Java and other products. I would not try to compete with M/I
and the clones at the lower end. Concentrate on the Mac O/S's superior
skills and the platform neutral nature of Hot Java on the internet. I
would license the lower end Mac products and get out of the peripherals
business.
- Date: Sat Feb 3 18:07:03 PST 1996
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Apple has *GREAT* products. The Mac interface is still the finest
available for ***Personal Computers***. The problem with Apple is that
they've always followed the Sony Betamax Model of marketing. As long as
they had insane profit margins, the decision makers pocketed their
outrageous bonuses and yucked it up. When things finally went bad, they
already had their big homes in the Los Altos hills, fat brokerage
accounts, and so who cares if the company and the technology give way to
DOS and Wintel? Apple will only get sold when things get so bad that the
decision makers won't be able to make any other decision BUT to sell.
Spindler went on and on doing things the Apple Way that lead to ruin until
he was sacked. Why should the new management do any different? The ONLY
company that Apple can merge with and hope to have a future is Sun because
Sun, Unix, and Solaris are synonymous with networking and the Internet,
which are the real future of all practical computing. HP Unix machines are
powerful, but are still being sold to the main-frame on Unix crowd, and HP
has no real progressive vision, which is what Apple and Sun are all about.
IBM is the company that created AIX, need I say more?
- Date: Sat Feb 3 18:56:22 PST 1996
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Good company should identify with good and difference cultural technology
environment. I don't think Sun should rule out the Apple culture. There is
grass route user friendly image that Apple has lost in past view years.
The Apple culture has to be restore; the innovative thinkers who would
like to see this world differently. Sun has initiated this tradition on the
technology level. But enough time to convert the corporate strategy not
only in hardware but also in software. I am believer, of people force in
culture. What Apple need is not brilliance technology that will satisfy
the Wall Street primely. But to announce the world that Apple is the
Culture of technology environment who could see this world in different
perspective; more human, contemplative not competitive. To see the other
last frontier of the world. This semantic apply for Sun. The technology
course always been dictate by performance technology, but less in peoples
culture. Apple should be the mass culture technology and Sun should be the
leader and the example of the future computer technology. Try to believe in
volume especially after you reach those perfection. Both of them should
live.
- Date: Sat Feb 3 19:48:37 PST 1996
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the Apple division should concentrate on the mac/os and compatibility with
solaris, sun should work out a solaris port to the powerpc platform, sun
can make the high-end machines more intuitive and if Apple could make the
low-end machines more powerful. Ultimately all that would remain of Apple
would be the mac/os.
- Date: Sat Feb 3 20:08:47 PST 1996
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- Apple has never been good at reaching the masses. It has failed to
court "poor" users who are unable to afford the Mac because of its high
pricing. One of the "poor" users are students who would one day enter the
working world and start using what they can afford when they were students
- PC clones and MS software.
- They are also bad at advertising.
- Apple
is slow is taking corrective actions.
- A merger would be good for Apple
but bad for Sun.
- If a merger takes place, Sun would have a "lousy"
product in their hands. At this stage, it is very difficult to fight with
Microsoft and Intel. Both of them are too strong.
- I would not recommend
any merger because it's bad for Sun.
- The only good reason that I can
think of for the merger is this: "It will keep Microsoft and Intel on
their toes".
- Date: Sat Feb 3 20:35:53 PST 1996
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Apple had a great product for it's time. That was years ago and they
failed to keep in touch with the Market Place. Apple with it's fantastic
product displayed an arrogance with it's price structure, charging a
premium, therefore shutting itself out of a market where price is the
deciding factor. Recent examples, 8 track tape vs. cassette, Beta vs. VHS
tapes drives, Commodore vs. IBM PC, and finally Apple vs. IBM PC. If Sun
feels they can revive Apple and offer a competitive product to the IBM PC
at a comparative price, then go for it. If Sun is being absolutely
realistic in thinking they can revive and evolve Apple to something better
then go for it. I personally hope that Sun has 2 separate teams focusing
on the reason to acquire or not bother with strong arguments on both
sides.
- Date: Sat Feb 3 21:28:17 PST 1996
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I think the merger would be good for Sun. It would give them more presence
on the desktop. Both Sun and Apple are leaders in Internet use and
technology and combined, they should be able to exploit this area. If the
merger were to occur, I think the first thing they could consider doing is
porting MacOS to Intel.
- Date: Sat Feb 3 21:29:05 PST 1996
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Keep MacOS but port it to SPARC. With Solaris as a server OS and MacOS for
the desktop, Sun then has both OS and hardware for the two sides of
client/server computing. Offer a MacOS GUI for Solaris. Make networking as
seamless as possible in both OSes and bring out Copeland ASAP. Make sure
Sun understands both the PC market and the Unix server market and aim for
excellence and innovation in both.
- Date: Sat Feb 3 22:16:33 PST 1996
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Make Apple the consumer division of Sun. Make the Mac GUI run on Solaris,
and gain stability and standards compliance. Don't kill CDE, though -
unless the Mac GUI replaces it in the major Unix vendors. Turn the Newton
into a Java terminal/browser.
- Date: Sat Feb 3 23:27:19 PST 1996
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The merger would be a big win for Sun, giving them access to a ready-made
stock of low-cost PowerPC workstations. The Solaris environment could be
offered, by Sun, on $1500 machines for the first time. The benefits for
Apple aren't quite as obvious, but still present. The biggest benefit, I
believe, would be Sun's strong and insightful management team. The second
would be Sun's ability to finally make the Mac (nearly) as crash-proof as
SunOS was. Solaris, too, while they're at it. ;^) The first product I
would dump from the combined company would be A/UX. ;^) I'd keep the
product lines separate, but of course offer Solaris, along with 3-button
mice, for the PowerPC Macs. MacOS on SPARC workstations would be worth
considering, if MacOS has indeed become portable enough to not make this a
nightmare. The SunPics printing business could be tossed as the abysmal
failure it is. Adding network interfaces to Apple's strong printer line
would suffice to have the second-stronger printer line in the world, next
to HP. Some fallout in peripherals, such as disk drives, cd-roms, etc
would logically take place. Since Sun and Apple were two of the earliest
companies smart enough to standardize on SCSI, they have some synergy
there as well. The new company would need to be more aggressive than ever
in courting ISVs. Target-audience marketing campaigns would help get out
the message that `SnApple' means business.
- Date: Sun Feb 4 09:32:50 PST 1996
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I do not think the merger is a good idea for either firm so I will use
this space to address what I think are the real issues. I think Apple's
fundamental mistake has been not licensing the MacOS to Clone makers a
number of years ago while they still had a clear technological lead. I
think that there is **Very Little** that Sun would gain if it bought out
Apple. The MacOs technology is old and in many areas out of date. In
addition given my familiarity with some of the O.S. libraries I suspect
that code under the hood is difficult as hell to maintain. I think Sun's
best hope for the future lies not with buying Apple, but with Java and
other products that will help it leap frog Microsoft. I think both Apple
and Sun should be looking to get out of the Desktop/Workstation/Hardware
business or at least spin them off into separate companies and concentrate
on new software (that runs on all platforms) and completely new ideas.
Further I think with a fair bit of work, money and marketing Apple can
still make the Newton a great product.
- Date: Sun Feb 4 05:20:44 PST 1996
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I think that it would give a lot to Apple. Sun is doing pretty good about
marketing and managing, that is the main problem of Apple. If Apple and
Sun can get over that, than the Sun won't buy a multimillion headache.
Combined companies new aim should be to build a system which uses, the
structure of Solaris, and the view of Systems of Apple. Hang on! Don't
forget the microprocessors, and the architecture of the machines. If Sun
and Apple can produce a chip with the power of SPARC, and an OS like I've
told above, than why not? The products of Sun and Apple are great right
now. As I can see, Apple is losing its power on Power Macs, and Macs. It
needs some kind of a brother or a bigger company to keep Apple in the
correct track. So that would gain a lot of things to both companies and
that will make me buy the products of the companies. Both the Hardware and
the Software of the both companies will be a HIT! For me!
- Date: Sun Feb 4 03:44:47 PST 1996
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You said it already - get the best GUI (the MAc GUI) to sit on top of the
sun, and port all those wonderful Mac applications
- Date: Sun Feb 4 11:40:29 PST 1996
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A Sun/Apple Merge is ranks right up there with IBM and Microsoft with
OS/2. Unless you want to make it work. What you have are two different
operating systems and hardware that are as common as Windows and Unix. The
only thing that has ever been good about the Apple/Mac's is the software
and GUI. This could work with some frontal lobotomies and attitude
changing at Apple. They could have dominated if it wasn't for some ego
problems in the early days. However, when people are hungary....... What
is the purpose of the merger? Are you going after Gates and his dominance
of the market despite products that suck? If it were my decision, I would
go for it by not merging the companies, but by injecting CORBA technology
to provide an environment that enables interoperability with Unix and
Apple/Mac. Sun has a powerful networking environment for multiple users
work environment. Mac/Apple have the desktop GUI, document systems and so
forth a lot of people love. Make them interoperable. OLE is the pits,
Microsoft stuff sucks. You have the potential for a powerful environment
to be created. You have no market in the desktop, and you will loose
workstation market to idiots who think Windows NT is better and cheaper.
So a merge could be good if it is managed right.
- Date: Sun Feb 4 11:31:57 PST 1996
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A merger with Apple would be a tragic folly for Sun. Sun would have
to dump millions into Apple only to watch it fail in the end. Apples'
precious few, but loyal users would lose faith in the product, and Sun
would become unfocused as Novell did when it purchased USL. Sun has much
respect in the industry as Novell once did because it has a history of
being integrity-oriented and a provider of `best of the breed' technology.
Sun is moving in the right direction with regard to hardware, software,
system management and internet tools. Mixing Apple product lines in with
Sun would only cause confusion, disarray and disappointment in the end.
- Date: Sun Feb 4 10:37:37 PST 1996
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In my opinion, if Sun bought Apple, Sun would be improved by offering a
quality personal computer, and Apple would be improved by Sun's excellence
in software design (Apple's software has seemed to have a lot more bugs
lately). I would think that Apple should become the personal computer
branch of Sun. I would keep the current Sun product line, not make the
current Apple computers except for the Power Mac 7500, 8500, and 9500 (and
possibly improve those), make Solaris available for current and new
(modified 7, 8, 9500s) Power Macintoshes, and make the new MacOS (Copeland)
available for SPARC.
- Date: Sun Feb 4 04:05:24 PST 1996
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GUI from Apple, Networking. from Sun
- Date: Sun Feb 4 14:06:52 PST 1996
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Apple needs to be an o/s software vendor. Let others make the hardware.
Ideally the Mac O/S should be adapted to run on multiple RISC machines. If
they can make it run on the PowerPC processor it should run on SPARC and
others. I seriously considered buying a Mac if Sun had purchased Apple.
Apple needs market share if it is to survive. The O/S is the key, not the
hardware. Look at Microsoft. Apple may be sliding so fast that no company
would want it. If Sun buys it, it should use the Mac O/S for its SPARC
computers but get IBM, HP, MIPS, DEC Alpha versions out there, quickly!
- Date: Sun Feb 4 15:10:39 PST 1996
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Sun would bail out Apple but I have no idea what Sun would want with
Apple.
- Date: Sun Feb 4 15:11:43 PST 1996
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Call it SnApple Major on the Net browser and Web servers for the
publishing industry base.
- Date: Sun Feb 4 16:31:55 PST 1996
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If the merger had taken place, it would have put the face of Apple firmly
on the Net. This would have helped both parties because Apple is known for
its user friendliness to its non-technical users and for its understated
capabilities to its technical users. The merger would most likely have led
to a migration of those who have been hanging with the PC/Microsoft
"alliance" to the new platform that would have been offered by
"SnApple"(?).
- Date: Sun Feb 4 17:09:34 PST 1996
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SPARC-arch products should be the high-end; apps which require maximum
power (such as oracle databases, and massive analytics) should require
sparc (or ultra-sparc) systems running some form of solaris. Mac-derived
home units (running some amalgam of the Mac OS and Solaris) using an x86
or power-pc cpu, would complete the Sun product line. Newton PDAs would
link the mobile user with the networked system. Appletalk networking
should be phased into a "standard" ethernet arch. Senior Apple management,
long isolated from the "real world" should be replaced by proven market-
driven executives.
- Date: Sun Feb 4 17:32:51 PST 1996
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One of the basic problem Apple has is being too late to market with their
OS releases. Copeland (MacOS 8.0) was supposed to be here last year, it is
now expected late `96 which means 97 (maybe). At this rate I might as
well switch to MS. One of Suns problem is the lack of Office automation
products e.g. MS Office. While the performance of Office on a 68K Mac is a
dog, a native version on SPARC would be great. I currently use MAE on a
SPARC5. I also have a IIfx sitting beside it. About the only thing I still
use the Mac for is word and excel. These are just too slow under MAE.
Ideally I would like to see MAE or better a MacOS port to Solaris (i.e.,
part of Solaris not a separate OS) which would run Word et al. at native
SPARC speed. I'm not particularly hooked on the Mac interface, it has some
good ideas that Solaris/CDE could use, but it is the application base that
I'd go for. Similarly a PowerPC/PowerMAc with Solaris/MacOS combo would be
great. _Summary_ Keep SunOS 5.x with multiple contemporaneous
personalities, e.g run CDE/OpenWindow/Windoze/MacOS in different windows
all at the same time. Cap legacy MacOS kludges in next release. I.e. need
to get memory protection, good VM, now not some time later. Get software
development back on track. Get MAE going fast enough so as to be able to
run current Mac applications (need to be 3 to 4 times faster). Get Mac
applications native on SPARC. If the a MacOS API existed in SunOS maybe
even MS would recompile to native SPARC.
- Date: Sun Feb 4 17:55:48 PST 1996
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Probably good for Sun, but that would be dependent on the management
decisions of Mr. McNealy. The two companies should probably remain
different entities in the publics mind however physically production and
long term planning should occur jointly. Apple's fabled R&D should remain
and independent group unhampered by upper management. It would be
interesting to see how the Micro and Ultra SPARC could fit into Apples
future, especially with the very recent transition to the PowerPC. This
would be a concern especially because Apple has a very bad history of
constantly changing hardware elements thus eliminating upgrades for past
Mac owners (first-generation PowerPC macs vs. second generation).
- Date: Sun Feb 4 19:45:26 PST 1996
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For Graphic designers and home use, I recommend MacOS. For Researcher and
high performance request, I recommend Solaris. And both OS are used in
Network world with each other. (But Microsoft is winner after all)
- Date: Sun Feb 4 19:50:46 PST 1996
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I think the merger would be good for both companies. It would be good for
Sun because it would give Sun a better chance to threaten Microsoft. It
would be good for Apple because Sun's management would restructure Apple
and push it to be the great computer that it always could have been.
- Date: Sun Feb 4 19:57:06 PST 1996
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In the long run, Sun's acquisition for Apple is good for both companies.
However, the financial picture for Sun for the short run may be adversely
impacted because of the declining demand for PCs, Apple's losing market
share and over-stocked inventory.
- Date: Sun Feb 4 21:00:56 PST 1996
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Sun-Apple merger is good to both companies, I think. The name of the new
company must be "Sunkist Apple Computer Systems" ;-)
- Date: Sun Feb 4 21:23:26 PST 1996
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Apple is Suns version of Perfect Office. Please don't do it. Apple is
destined to be nothing more than a proprietary PC. Sun, in the last year,
has finally become more than an obscure unix box in some MIT dorm room.
You have an unblemished quasi-household name now. Don't screw it up just
because you have some cash to blow. Bill Gates wants you to buy Apple. NT
works on Power PC. While you are expending mass resources merging the two
companies Bill will be quietly taking over the net. 1q - 3q 96 is when the
deciding battle will take place. Java is cool but so was betamax.
Microsoft has been quietly and furiously moving in on Java, Netscape and
the rest. Netscape will be dead in two years. All it is tweaked
freeware (Mosaic). One paradigm shift is all it takes. This is not the
time to be looking at Apple. Sun needs to be developing VB like tools for
Java. Borland has been stingy with info on Latte. So while I have been
waiting for the Borland camp I have been reading and downloading at
Microsoft.com. Take your cash, do a US tour, give coffee cups and tee-
shirts away. Free Java seminars. Get some Airplay. Be cute, do something
with Starbucks Coffee or something. NT's GUI update is going to be a
tidal wave.
- Date: Sun Feb 4 21:26:34 PST 1996
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I am afraid that Apple has the problem with its cost system. I love Mac,
but its cost-performance is in the low level cause it costs too much! And
at last the spirit is vanishing. So i hope some other companies help
Apple.
- Date: Sun Feb 4 21:58:48 PST 1996
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If Sun bought Apple, Sun should keep all Macintosh product lines because
Mac is far superior machine than PCs by any means. One of the problem
Apple has right now is shortage of Power CPU. Macintosh has been making a
big transition from 68K to Power Macs. However, the small supply of chips
unable Apple to meet their demand. There is a strong demand for Mac
especially in the education field. Also artists, designer, multimedia
professionals, and musicians prefer Mac simply because Mac can handle
those people's needs. Therefore, once the production meets the demand with
licensing and clones, Mac family will be able to increase its share in the
PC market significantly. In other words, if Sun could buy Apple with
around $28 a share, it would be a great opportunity to not only gain access
to PC markets, but also increase Sun's revenue in long run.Also, Mac's
popularity in overseas, especially in Japan, is a big advantage for
multinational companies like Sun. The era of Internet, overseas operation
is the key business aspect for the 21st century. If any companies have an
opportunity to buy Apple, I would say just buy it, and help them making
good supply and distribution systems along with niche promotion strategy,
like focusing on Internet users. Apple needs this kind of integrated
marketing strategy. However, they need it now because of mismanagement.
- Date: Sun Feb 4 23:43:41 PST 1996
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I believe a Sun-Apple merger would be good for both companies. As a user
of both a PowerMac and SPARC20, I would love to see a Mac like GUI on a
Sun workstation. Also setting up Internet services (i.e. World Wide Web,
FTP, etc) on a Mac is so much easier than a Sun machine. If Sun can make
it as easy as a Mac with the power of a Sun machine, they would sell a lot
of servers. Apple's PowerMac, Powerbooks, and new Newton should be
keepers. The other hardware can go.
- Date: Mon Feb 5 01:12:16 PST 1996
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I hope the merger should be good for both. I don't like to imagine that
all the personal computers are aligned with Microsoft and Intel. I think
only the Apple-Sun merger has the very competence against Wintels.
- Date: Mon Feb 5 02:01:31 PST 1996
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This merger is good for Sun and Apple, if Sun buys both hardware section
and software section of Apple. I think MacOS has best user interface in
the world, but Macintosh is second-rate hardware. I hope that this merger
brings best hardware for MacOS and best user interface for Solaris.
- Date: Mon Feb 5 02:08:19 PST 1996
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Discontinue MacOS for 68K!
- Date: Mon Feb 5 02:32:24 PST 1996
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Make Apple more compliant with the rest of the industry They have a lot to
offer and have got the right idea about making computers fun, easy to use
and all software running on them looking and feeling the same. Keep the
two companies independent but help Apple merge with the market more and
MacOS be ported to other platforms etc.
- Date: Mon Feb 5 03:01:04 PST 1996
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The question is too complex for me, but I think the merger would be a good
strategic choice for a future internet toaster. I'm not sure the results
of the merger (i.e. the products) should ship under the Sun logo. But on
another hand, you could do a lot without Apple's tech in the case of *-java
based hardware. So, maybe the Apple advantage is its user-friendly
interface (at least what's the world thinks). When people see the Apple
logo, it speaks by itself. They don't ask for the specs. They trust Apple.
As for products, they should continue. But I think two opposite (or
complementary) lines would be o.k. Like powerful machines almost too
expensive for everyone. The other line of product(s): the $500 thing that
everybody talk about but never sees. Again, it's not necessary to buy
Apple in this case. CU++
- Date: Mon Feb 5 03:01:38 PST 1996
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bad for Sun, Apple will still die. Apple cannot sell Java products through
its channels as it is in the wrong market sector and knows even less than
Sun above high volume sales
- Date: Mon Feb 5 03:10:54 PST 1996
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Internet business is important to support both client and server. Sun is
string in server or network. But sun does not have best cpu
hardware(SPARC) for future. Sun also does not have client hardware and
software. Apple has good client and home computing technology but worst
management of server or hardware manufacture. The good company for internet
and network and server is Sun or HP. So, it is the best for both company
that Sun or HP marge Apple. If Sun will not buy Apple, HP will marge Apple
and get their client software technology. HP will introduce their home
network computer or next generation client PC with Apple technology. If
Sun want to keep top position of network and internet, it will be good
idea to marge Apple before HP will marge Apple.
- Date: Mon Feb 5 03:32:56 PST 1996
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I think that merging company is good. In that case, Sun should not put a
word in the management of Apple.(opposite also) Both companies has good
technologies. The interchange of technologies of both companies will
produce the next generations technologies. (e.g. Java and OpenDoc)
- Date: Mon Feb 5 03:36:17 PST 1996
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Sun has no compelling reason to buy Apple. It (Apple)doesn't fit the
internet strategy that Scott McNealy has been following. If he needs to
get into the low end of the market he can spend the proposed $2.8 billion
he wants to buy Apple with and have endorse a cloner with a new brand name
connected with Sun and attack the low end, or better yet, put out the
internet toaster he's been touting recently. $2.8 billion is a lot of
sgeckles to buy a troubled money losing market share losing enterprise
like Apple. Nuff said!
- Date: Mon Feb 5 04:23:26 PST 1996
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Sun would gain a good introduction to the home computer market, while Apple
could gain from Sun's hold on the larger computer market. Assuming that
Solaris could be configurated in a way that MacOS users would appreciate,
would the two companies get a strong position on two markets. The last few
years have Unix for home computers started to be a reality. As it is today
is the only hardware alternative an intel clone box. With a Apple/Sun
cooperation would there be good alternative to intel/microsoft. If there
existed a machine that both Mac and Unix, would I probably buy one.
- Date: Mon Feb 5 05:43:08 PST 1996
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Allow each to stand as is. Develop tools to integrate the 2 tightly
and/or take the best of both worlds and create a high performance, user-
friendly client-server environment. Sun has the performance - Apple has
the user-friendly market. Then, stomp on Micro-squash!
- Date: Mon Feb 5 06:25:11 PST 1996
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Assuming Sun were able to dump large chunks of the Apple Management team
then the merger would be good for both companies and very painful for a
substantial fraction of Apple employees. I'd then go on a licensing frenzy
with the MacOS -- I'd even look at providing a spec and compliance suite
so the GNU folks could have a crack at it. Newton: I'd be in too minds
about this, dumping (or more likely selling) it is probably the Right
Thing, but it's such cool technology so keep it -- there's probably loads of
opportunities for synergy. Mac Hardware -- keep at it, this is a cool
platform. Listen to Dave Winer, okay so he's weird but cut him and he'll
bleed seven colors. FFS do /not/ dump the Apple logo, we're talking
graphic design up there with Mickey Mouse, the Batman Logo and the
Swastika here, losing it would be criminal.
- Date: Mon Feb 5 06:28:50 PST 1996
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It would be good for Apple if Sun chopped management off at the knees and
brought in a good "Sun" leadership team. Sun should benefit with another
line that competes more directly with INTEL/Microsoft and with the SGI
lines.
- Date: Mon Feb 5 06:39:34 PST 1996
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The merger should work for all concerned, or shouldn't happen. I'd keep
the Mac, but enhance the hardware and definitely take a Unix approach to
the O/S. Mac's have suffered from lack of true multi-threading/multi-
tasking for too long. Keep the companies separate, at least for a while.
It seems that Apple has a problem being a corporation as opposed to a
commune. Once you've got the bugs shaken out; outsource the hardware and
keep Cupertino busy cranking out software that runs the new O/S to the
max. Take advantage of Sun's new power position on the net and let the new
Mac buyers download their software. You'll have a winner!
- Date: Mon Feb 5 06:41:50 PST 1996
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Obviously, I am not an expert on mergers... so I don't know how corporate
restructuring works. But here are a few of my thoughts.
- MacOS should
stay on the PPC platform. If Sun wants to port it to the SPARC platform as
an option for existing and new customers, fine... but keep it on the PPC
platform too. Why? Because I think that the PPC platform could have a lot
to offer in a year or so. Think of a box that can run WinNT, MacOS and
Solaris... you can decide at boot... I can not wait for the day that I can
buy one box that will allow me to run all OSs I want. For me, the PPC
platform will be the first to offer such possibilities.
- MacOS and
Solaris should stay separate. We use a SS4/110 for or webserver. Great
performance... I like it as a serving platform. I can also see why
corporations would want to use it as a desktop platform... especially in
the financial and scientific sectors.
MacOS on the other hand isn't solid
enough to use as a serving platform or even high-end desktop platform. I
don't care what Apple says, MacOS is too unstable. MacOS does, however,
make great sense for the common desktop. I think Win95 is a joke. The
MacOS interface is still the best interface around. Period. Both Solaris
and MacOS have their place. Keep it that way.
- Date: Mon Feb 5 06:43:25 PST 1996
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Improve the MacOS to compete with Windows NT.
- Date: Mon Feb 5 07:06:18 PST 1996
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I think the merger could be good for both companies, provided Sun has the
vision to successfully integrate Apple's products. Sun has no solid low
end strategy, apart from the notion of the Java terminal. The Java
Terminal, while a good model for business is not particularly applicable
to the school/home market, where people need -- or still believe they need
-- copious local storage. Apple's products fit nicely into that niche. Sun
would need to stem the defections from the Mac interface, repopularize
that interface, perhaps integrate it with *some* Solaris tools and
features. Sun could learn a few useful things from Apple. For example, how
to make installation and administration not just simple, but basically a
"no brainer". Sun desperately needs to work on its ease of administration.
Standard Solaris installation and administration does not approach the Mac
OS for ease of use and simplicity of operation. Apple also apparently has
or is working on PDAs and other low end devices that could enhance the Sun
product line considerably, if their introduction is properly managed. A
possible stumbling block for Sun is loss of focus. Sun might also
reflexively attempt to move the Apple product line from being Power PC
based to being SPARC based too rapidly -- introducing further delays in
Apple's delivery schedule, not to mention introducing considerable bugs in
the software. Sun has historically been well focused. The challenge here
would be to bring Apple's product line slowly into that focus. This would
be harder to do from a hardware perspective than a software perspective, I
believe. Sun must be careful to lower Apple's products' cost.
- Date: Mon Feb 5 07:58:07 PST 1996
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don't know
- Date: Mon Feb 5 09:19:50 PST 1996
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I think that SnApple would be an amazing fit. It would give OpenDoc a real
chance to be grafted onto the CORBA 2.0 spec, making NEO an outstanding
product for enterprises. Solaris 2.5 is already in Beta on the PowerPC
platform providing the necessary "backend" for System 8.0, which is
overbudget, overblown, and overbuggy from everything that I have heard.
The current simple metaphorical intuition of System 7 could be easily
grafted onto Solaris, perhaps running each System 7.5 desktop in a
separate, threaded process space. The more important market for SnApple to
pursue would be the embedded consumer systems that Java is so ripe for:
with Apple's humanistic CHI design coding for Sun's techno-macho hardware
engineers, quick delivery of successful products could be achieved,
cementing Java's ascendancy. The maturation of this market will take time,
but it does look like it could dwarf the current Wintel market by at least
an order of magnitude.
- Date: Mon Feb 5 09:36:26 PST 1996
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It'll be good for both. Sun should sell the hardware divisions for Apple
and keep the MacOS team. The MAE will make a excellent package for
Solaris.
- Date: Mon Feb 5 10:38:44 PST 1996
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Apple has lost the "common" desktop to the Wintel duopoly and has lost or
is losing the "glamorous graphics box" image/mini-market to SGI. Sun
basically doesn't stand a chance on the desktop -- alone. Although it has
its areas of strength. Apple basically doesn't stand a chance alone. The
two together could shore up their respective competitive positions vis a
vis SGI/HP at the high end and Wintel at the commodity end. In my opinion,
"SnApple" should hang onto Apple's cash cows": the artsy oriented higher
end Macs aimed at the fanatics who just won't use "an IBM" machine.
Similarly, the SPARCstation should continue. The opportunity will be in a
new platform, the "Snack" which could be a PowerPC or SPARC based, Mac or
CDE GUI'd, Wabi enhanced front end machine on a network tied to monster
Unix applications and file servers. I also think the java toaster should
be continued. Somebody has to provide a viable alternative to the Wintel
benign dictatorship. Neither Sun nor Apple can do this alone. Together may
be a different story.
- Date: Mon Feb 5 10:50:19 PST 1996
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no comments...
- Date: Mon Feb 5 11:40:24 PST 1996
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If the companies were to merge then their identities should be kept
separate. Apple has many loyal customers who might change if the Apple
name and identity was lost. Sun also has loyal customers who may not like
the Apple image for a serious server company. The match is good as long as
Sun does servers, Apple does PC. Sun Workstations are not good for
designers, home users, schools but that's OK its not Suns market. Macs are
cool for designer, home users, schools etc but are crap servers with the
exception of Web servers. They are very good for Intranets because they
are very easy to look after and to not need Unix experts to configure. If
Sun does buy Apple, Sun should keep the product lines separate but take
the best pieces from either side across the divide. Sooner or later the
Apple Mac and the Sun Workstation will have so much in common that they
can become the same but let it happen slowly. Users and customers do not
like change, both Sun and Apple have loads of customers so if changes are
need just do it slowly. If Sun buys Apple and kills it the old loyal Apple
customers will probably make it their personal aim to kill Sun (after
Microsoft of course!!!) Long live the Macintosh, the greatest machine to
ever run you applications.
- Date: Mon Feb 5 12:07:52 PST 1996
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A Sun-Apple merge would be a boon for the niche markets both companies
have cultivated. Mac-OS for SPARC would bring a host of multimedia and
desktop applications like PageMaker (yes, I KNOW they have it for SPARC
already, but people in DTP have grown to love the MacOS interface) and
PhotoShop to machines with the power of the SPARC processors. (Photoshop
for Ultra! Yum!) I don't use Mac software, though, so that wouldn't affect
me. What _I_ (Unix geek that I am) would love to see is Solaris for Mac.
Such a beast would allow me to use a premier, multithreaded, delicious OS
like Solaris, on a platform that I can afford a little more than SPARC,
and without the hardware headaches of Solaris x86. That being said, I
probably STILL couldn't afford either company's products on my little unix
geek salary.
- Date: Mon Feb 5 12:12:41 PST 1996
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I don't know if a merger is really a good thing. The behemoth in redmond
makes everyone react in fear, rather than think clearly. I actually like
Sun the way it is, for the most part. Apple should: Sell off newton,
pippin, all these Sculley leftovers in interesting but less than successful
products. Kill all but two of the performa line. Put some energy back into
Powerbook line. Narrow down their scattered cpu product line to 2 or
three.
- Date: Mon Feb 5 13:16:08 PST 1996
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I think a Sun/Apple alliance would be great--a lot of mutual talent, great
creative mix, and similar philosophies. A merger might also result in
implications for server configurations. We used to have all Macs at our
company (100+ employees) and with a 1/2-time person as administrator for
our Mac server and everything ran fine. With our current mix of Novell/?
our server goes up and down; our email has bugs in it, and it requires 2
full-time folks to service the problems with server and users's 486's.
Meanwhile the number of users has remained constant... I'm sure there are
a lot of small businesses out there that would like to keep on with their
Mac configuration or at least a reliable counterpart. BTW, thanks for
asking for input! I also have a 486 that sits on my desk at work in
addition to a PowerMac at work and at home. So I know whereof I speak.
- Date: Mon Feb 5 13:46:43 PST 1996
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Apple's real hidden asset is the fanatical loyalty of its installed user
base. It's main liability is complete and utter disregard for that
loyalty. Apple's major short-term management obstacle is management's lack
of leadership. If Sun can take control of Apple (and put an new arrowhead
on all that wood) it can make the company hit the bull's-eye once again as
it did in the past. Someone will take control of Apple; why not Sun?
- Date: Mon Feb 5 14:38:53 PST 1996
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Merger could not possibly be good for Sun, suggest Sun continue to fight
the "next" battle rather than trying to salvage the loser of the "prior"
war.
- Date: Mon Feb 5 14:43:34 PST 1996
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IMHO, Apple's decline is to a large extent based on their continued high
hardware pricing and slowness to embrace a cpu more scalable than the 68k.
Either licensing the technology earlier or at least developing a
partnership with a big-time electronics-production company would have
reduced the hardware costs, leading to greater market penetration. Coming
up with yet more incompatible system busses didn't help, either.
- Date: Mon Feb 5 14:51:23 PST 1996
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Continue the SPARC/Unix stuff on its current track. I like Unix, although
underneath it is not for normal people to administer. Stabilize the
guidance of the Mac development to get some good machines out at a
reasonable price and gain presence in the PC market. Right now I don't see
how to merge these two approaches, but that will emerge in time. I have an
original, beige colored, toaster shaped Mac. It was a great idea, and it
really pisses me off that they should lose out to the dreaded "whipped
cream on a road Apple". I'm about to get a workstation for home use
anyway, but that's what I think.
- Date: Mon Feb 5 15:41:51 PST 1996
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Well, I don't know Solaris, but I know Unix and Mac. I love the Mac as
front-end and Unix for back-end production. The manipulation of MM
(MultiMedia), the creative process on a Mac, the end-result on a Unix-
machine. This is a nice combination that surpasses all Wintel-things. It's
a shame that JAVA is not widely available for the Mac. For that reason I
use PERL on both platforms, portability and CGI-bins on the Unix-
production machine.
- Date: Mon Feb 5 15:47:45 PST 1996
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I guess that this merger is better for Sun than for Apple. But, I don't
think, this merger is such attractive and effective for both companies.
Cause, I'm not what we call `an Apple user'. thank you.
- Date: Mon Feb 5 15:49:52 PST 1996
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Great for Sun if you can survive the dilution and the first 6 months of
nightmares in management. Good for Apple... but mostly good for Apple
users and Apple shareholders. Common back office, common manufacturing,
merge sales and mktg with Sun and let Sun differentiate channels... you
have learned well how to do that. I would push Mac OS into SunSoft and
move Claris into the Java unit. I would lose the Mac server family
entirely (and fast). I would lose all of the remaining 68000 stuff. I
would look at selling eWorld and other "entertainment" oriented stuff.
- Date: Mon Feb 5 18:21:06 PST 1996
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Sun should buy Apple.But Sun must not take over the Apple consumer
business. Sun had better handle Mac Os and software. Sun must keep being
high end hard and soft company. Sun can open the Mac OS license to Asian
low cost makers like Acer. Sun must keep own identity. Sun should make
efforts to spread the idea which the networking is computing. So Sun open
the Mac license to makers who want to make Mac PC which is easy to use and
cheap. And Sun can keep to provide high end products for corporation with
higher margin. The market will grow very fast.Because ordinary people
will start to use network computer which is very easy ti use. That PC is
made by Mac OS.That PC is good at graphics and sounds.At that time
everybody can enjoy the network computer easily. So this market is very
very big.So everybody wants to start the business in the network.(It must
be internet) So Sun provides products,software,service,etc,etc, for
corporations. I can see the great success of Sun. Go for it!
- Date: Mon Feb 5 18:23:47 PST 1996
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The main asset of Apple is the MacOS. The second is the ultra-slick boxes
that Apple makes. Their main goal, to be a powerhouse in desktop
publishing, entertainment content generation, high-powered communications,
etc. will be achieved under certain conditions. As a leader in most of
these areas, Apple requires huge R&D budgets. By increasing their profit-
margins through selling the coolest machines in the market for desktop
publishing, content generations, etc. they can establish the R&D budgets
required to lead in technology and design. The main goal for Apple (and
Sun) should be to get Copeland out as soon as possible and then port it to
SPARC and the x86 architecture. WWW Industry Sun: server-class machines.
Apple: client-class machines. Since the Internet seem to be of interest to
most, there should be a clear strategy concerning it. Sun should keep
doing what it has been doing (quite well): Provide top-notch server-class
Unix boxes to businesses and institutions. They should target Apple
computers as their main client machines. No under-powered, high-priced Sun
boxes for the client-side market (compared to an Apple box). Structure
Keep Apple independent, especially the R&D dept. The design teams can
merge. The designs of Sun boxes have in numerous occasions surprised me.
They are cool. Pump all the money possible into developing the MacOS and
porting it. A possibility might be to make Sun boxes on top of the PowerPC
(price/performance knocks off SPARC) architecture. Might want to license
or even buy the PowerPC from IBM. Tell them to concentrate on their
mainframe business. Keep/Throw Away.
- Date: Mon Feb 5 20:04:36 PST 1996
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I think the merger will be good for both companies. If Sun will have
merged Apple, the new one should be independent of Sun and keep developing
MacOS. I think the best way is to change the developing goal of Copeland
and go straight ahead to Gershwin. And Sun should provide java for the new
company and merge java and OpenDoc. Then it will be the greatest
appearance against Microsoft.
- Date: Tue Feb 6 08:49:23 PST 1996
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I think a Sun-Apple merger would be good for Sun and Apple. Sun has (in my
mind) been a company which has been far superior to their competition in
usability. Their OS, and software development tools are far superior than
that of HP, DEC, IBM. This usability advantage has allowed Sun to lag
behind in Hardware performance. Sun is about 1 or 2 years behind the
performance, but it doesn't really matter because they are about 4 or 5
years ahead of the OS and Software development tool curve. Apple has been
similar to Sun in that it's software usability has outpaced it's hardware
performance. One large cultural difference between Sun and Apple is the
word OPEN. Sun is the leader in Open Systems, while Apple has very closed,
especially with their Operating System. When these two cultures collide it
may mean trouble. I do believe that Apple could benefit from Sun's Open
Systems strategy.
- Date: Tue Feb 6 08:23:44 PST 1996
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keep product lines & engineering efforts somewhat independent, but build
very strong & tight integration between Solaris servers and Mac PC
desktops -- although it may already be too late, this probably gives
corporate users the best chance to have a viable alternative desktop to
"WinTel" (most likely have to revisit Mac pricing and be aggressive to
create a competitive alternative as well)
- Date: Tue Feb 6 07:00:22 PST 1996
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It will be good for both.
- Date: Tue Feb 6 06:44:53 PST 1996
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Would a Sun-Apple merger be good for Sun? No. Sun should not lose its
focus as a current market leader in the Unix Market and high end
supercomputing. For Apple? No. Apple has a lot to learn and learning
the Sun way would not be a solution. It has to be unique, just as it has
always been for Sun. How would you Structure the combined companies? -- I
would feel that they should be as independent as possible, so that they
can respect each other and contribute to technology in their own ways. The
best structure would be to operate them such that their performances are
seen independently with minimal interference and interdependence. What
Products would you keep? I do not Know. Discontinue? I do not know.
Sell? Any prod. that would give Microsoft a run for its money.
- Date: Tue Feb 6 06:09:35 PST 1996
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I like company that made by hippies very much. I want Apple keep them the
way of thinking of human, dreams and computers. Please don't disturb
them. thanks.
- Date: Tue Feb 6 05:44:01 PST 1996
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Apple would provide Sun with a presence in the home and grade-school
markets. Sun could push Apple toward standard architectures without losing
their technical creativity,
- Date: Tue Feb 6 06:17:57 PST 1996
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I believe the merger would be good for both Sun and Apple. It would allow
Sun to penetrate consumer oriented markets where they currently have
little or no presence. I would also open Sun up to moving more advanced
technologies to the educational arena. It would be good for Apple in that
they would have access to OS technologies that would enhance the MacOS to
allow Macs to penetrate high-end markets and produce more credible
products for scientific and engineering uses. I would structure the
company down along market lines, and have separate divisions that focused
on solutions within each market. I would like to see a powerful OS that
could be run on all the offered CPUs, an OS that could be modularized and
configured for specific applications. I would structure the company along
the following:
- Technical/Development (high-end)
- Consumer/Business
(mid-range)
- Education (spans entry-level to high-end)
I would have Apple
drop products such as PDAs and multi-media peripherals, such as the
QuickTake, and concentrate more on innovative and more powerful portable
and laptop machines. Also, I would like to see Apple driven to provide
sophisticated, yet easy-to-use development tools, that would reach a wider
audience of potential developers.
- Date: Tue Feb 6 05:47:27 PST 1996
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The merger would be good for Sun. It gives Sun expansion into another
platform that Sun can exploit. (There are a lot of loyal Apple users out
there). What Sun has done with Intel based PC's, by porting Solaris, Sun
should investigate the feasibility of doing the same with Macs. At one
time, Apple was a very good company. However, they got lazy and now are
suffering for it. The powers that be at Sun should take some time to
establish a vision for Apple, how Sun can make it better by merging their
respective technologies and provide outstanding products and services. The
vision should be exciting and realistic. If one can be established, go for
it. Sun is doing a great job and making me money (I am a shareholder :) )
Good luck!
- Date: Tue Feb 6 05:37:53 PST 1996
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Apple should be divided along the same lines as Sun is already. The Apple
hardware division should be integrated into the Sun hardware division,
enabling Sun/Apple to produce both SPARC and PowerPC systems. These
systems should both support Solaris. The PowerPC platforms should also
support NT. Forget OS/2 and Windows 95. With the next generation of
PowerPC microprocessors, Sun would be the only hardware vendor capable of
fielding 2 64-bit architectures. This also hedges Sun's bets with respect
to the SPARC architecture. The Apple software division should be
integrated into SunSoft. Now that MacOS has grown so big, it is no longer
strictly interesting as an operating system. Take all of the important
technology (including the creative developers) and put it into Solaris.
Bag MacOS altogether and take the resulting Solaris++ and make it
available on SPARC, Intel, and PowerPC.
- Date: Tue Feb 6 10:41:31 PST 1996
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Apple needs help. Going it on their own would just lead to the end of a
dusty trail. My old Mac Plus still looks better than Microsoft Windows 3.1,
it's not quite as good as Win95. Sun has no penetration into the consumer
market, Apple has good name brand recognition. Sun must grow or it will
eventually be pushed out of it's current market just as Apple was by the
Intel/Microsoft team. More than just Sun, the Unix community itself is in
danger of being displayed by Windows NT. Aggressive pricing combined with
well thought out OS place NT as an attract platform for business. I
wouldn't buy a Apple PowerPC today. But a SnApple PowerPC with a dual boot
option (Solaris 2.x & MacOS) now there's a thought! Sure would hate to see
Unix follow BSD into /dev/null.
- Date: Tue Feb 6 10:55:34 PST 1996
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Port the MacOS to SPARC and intel. Through away the Mac hardware.
- Date: Tue Feb 6 10:59:48 PST 1996
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Good for both, brings Sun to the consumer, let's Apple continue to
innovate, keeps mediocre Microsoft monopoly at bay...
- Date: Tue Feb 6 12:22:38 PST 1996
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Move Mac's onto SPARC to get them out of the PowerPC rut. Use Sun's
hardware expertise to bring the price of a Mac down to more reasonable
levels and put it into areas it's never been very good at; networking and
connectivity.
- Date: Tue Feb 6 12:55:49 PST 1996
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Sun should buy Apple if nothing else just to keep Gates from getting his
hands on it and shutting it down..... that's just my little ideas on the
issue...
- Date: Tue Feb 6 14:04:31 PST 1996
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I will keep both Solaris like a solution for servers and MacOs like the
ideal OS for end user. I will add Unix compatible options to the Mac (
like NFS).
- Date: Tue Feb 6 17:30:35 PST 1996
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I think Apple is most probably the victim of bad management. I attend a
University that is moving to an all Intel based platform, yet I continue
to see day in and day out that Apple computers constantly perform faster,
better, and more reliably than Intel machines for almost every
application. I think the reason that Intel machines are used is simply
because of their popularity. They were cheaper, earlier, thus everyone
bought them. There are simply more of them in daily use. Apple priced
itself out of the market twelve years ago, and has been paying for that
critical mistake ever since. However, I think that Apple is still a
financially viable company that is in need of new direction. They are
technologically more advanced, at least from what I've seen, than Intel's
machines, and thus an Apple-Sun merger would create a company that would
have the best and brightest minds thinking together. Good luck to both.
- Date: Tue Feb 6 18:48:53 PST 1996
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Keep the Macintosh line using PowerPC Port MacOS to Solaris (e.g. like A/UX
used to be) but of course allow X applications to run seamlessly. Keeps
Sun experience in a finely threaded Multi-CPU kernel and use it in the new
Macintosh microkernel. Take all of Sun's ideas about open standards and
compliance to Apple. Port Solaris to PowerPC? (hmm you might to able to
tempt a few RS/6000 users to load Solaris instead!) I'd delete Sun's low
end workstations once Solaris was available for PowerPC Macintosh.
- Date: Tue Feb 6 20:29:59 PST 1996
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sun dominates servers, an area in which Apple is non-existent. Apple has
the excellent end-user system, which sun lacks. Neither, alone, can
compete against the competition (microsoft) which has adequate solutions
for both lines. The competition is going to make damn sure that if you own
end of the client/server system from them, you'll want to get the other
from them as well. Sun and Apple need to integrate their platforms to at
least the same degree if they are to maintain any presence in the long
run. I think there is a 3rd area, which is applications. Microsoft can
offer a winNT server/ win95 client + Office solution which is tightly
integrated, and therefore attractive to many buyers. Claris and/or
Netscape may want to come to the party as well?
- Date: Tue Feb 6 21:28:16 PST 1996
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don't combine the operating system! Keep selling SPARCstation lines!
Create low-end workstations! If there is low-end new workstation, I
really want to purchase that and wont run Unix on Intel box anymore!
- Date: Wed Feb 7 00:04:25 PST 1996
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I don`t know.
- Date: Wed Feb 7 06:25:28 PST 1996
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I think the merger would be good for both companies, Sun has the ability
to continue R&D or Apples and manage a company in a competent
manner (something Apple has failed at) The Apple computers would give Sun a
launching pad into the home computer market helping them broaden their
market share.
- Date: Wed Feb 7 08:58:00 PST 1996
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Back to Q 2: Sun needs a better low-end that would be consumer oriented.
If you could blend MacOS and Solaris in the low end so that it was a
single user only system that looked so close to MacOS of today that a user
could not tell the difference that would be the best for that market. Of
course in this single user, there would be network connections up and
running, not quite the same as init level 1... Above that Solaris users
could have a choice, MacOS style, OpenWindows, or Motif. Let them choose
between MacOS and OpenWindows, but pay extra for Motif (and/or CDE). And
either would have a more Unix feel to it. Back to Q 4: Even though they
lost money, they still sold great. maybe lousy management, but I don't
know if I could put all of it there...Plus whenever I turn on the TV I see
adds for MS and Intel. If I watch TV for a week straight I might see one
add for Apple and a few adds for Motorola pagers, nothing about their
CPUs... Back to question 6: either Sun, or SGI, or Motorola... Interesting
to note there are a lot of "how to connect your Mac to a SGI" networked
product, especially in the high-end niche markets. But not much more than
MAE and NFS for connecting Macs to Suns... Seems like SGI has a leg up. A
columnist summed it up, Apple has K-12 and Sun has higher education. That
is a perfect match. Get them hooked in K-12 with easy to use consumer
products and them put them to work on high performance workstations as
they grow and learn. Controlling the education market has kept both Sun and
Apple alive... I am a two system family, my wife needs a Mac, I need a
workstation. It would the best if both were binary compatible. That
- Date: Wed Feb 7 09:59:58 PST 1996
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Kill the MacOS for good and ship all Mac's with Solaris. Thank you.
- Date: Wed Feb 7 10:31:24 PST 1996
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Sun is trying hard to make it in the commercial computing market place. I
think Apple would be a serious boat anchor.
- Date: Wed Feb 7 11:27:08 PST 1996
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the MacOS is for the "basic" office and home users. Solaris is for big
networks, servers, scientific computing etc. Of course the both should work
together by providing a simple possibility to port software, to
work together in networks, etc. So I think Apple would be a nice `low-end'
branch for Sun to offer an alternative for the consumer market. One thing
Apple should definitely take over from Sun is license policy. The Mac OS
should be spread as widely as possible. Refusing to sell it to the users
is not the right way to make things work. I would definitely appreciate
if Apple, in this sense, would be taken over by Sun.
- Date: Wed Feb 7 11:42:00 PST 1996
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Both companies have good points and bad points. Both have been on the
right track on the hardware side for years. I think Sun needs to look to
Apple as a source for the graphics and publishing that they are known for
and Apple should look to sun for it's speed and expandability. If they
both merge and use the UltraSPARC as they have been promoting it (a
graphics, 3D, etc.) machine, they will really hurt SGI. But they need to
look at SGI's GUI for ease of use. The only real question I have is will
the prices go up or down?
- Date: Wed Feb 7 13:12:43 PST 1996
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Merger should benefit both Sun and Apple. cut off Apple's corporate head
and paste the body to sun microsystems (highlight Apple's body, command-x
to cut, select sun microsystems, command-v to paste). Corporate structure?
I don't know what i'd do aside from the decapitation of Apple. Go through
and cut out most of the Performa models and sell nothing less powerful
than the 7100/80 style machine. It is still a very powerful tool, and not
everyone needs a 6 slot PCI mac. On the Sun side, i don't know the products
all that well... My main concern is that Apple end up in good hands and
not swallowed whole. Sun seems to be the right size and attitude for Apple
and Apple users' needs. Thanks!
- Date: Wed Feb 7 14:58:18 PST 1996
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Sun for the high end Internet market; Apple for the low end. I see little
need for Newton. Ideas like OpenDoc could work well with both companies.
Slashing the R&D budget at Apple indiscriminately would slowly kill it.
It has to be positioned as being a better alternative to the typical
Wintel pc. There are too many varieties of Performas that are only
slightly different from their brethren, as in modem speeds. Come out with
some wild looking futuristic high end models.
- Date: Wed Feb 7 15:19:04 PST 1996
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Apples problem is one of exclusivity and elitism...They need to take their
OS and make it broader on other computers, and other manufacturers, and
concentrate their marketing on their strong points rather than bragging
that they are the easiest...Sometimes, I think their adds imply that if
you are too stupid to start a CD ROM on Windows 95 you should buy a
Mac...They should be able to do better than that. They must reorganize
into an efficient manufacturing unit and include, not exclude, other
hardware and software ideas.
- Date: Wed Feb 7 16:52:42 PST 1996
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Kill off Solaris on Intel, make MacOS work on UltraSPARC, Use Apple sales
force to get MacOS based SPARC machines into high end retail in Boston,
the valley, Washington and other sophisticated markets, and use their PR
force to increase awareness of Sun beyond the Unix bigots (myself
included). Turn over SPARC Processor licensing and MacOS licensing to a
new unit that is measured only by the success of licensing sales, with no
negative impact on hardware sales. If potential licensers thought they
would be treated as true competitors then the likelihood of dedicating the
resources to success would increase. If Sun does not do something soon,
they will go the way of DEC and be loved by the cognescenti, but ignored
by the masses.
- Date: Wed Feb 7 19:03:34 PST 1996
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Turn Power Macs into low-end SPARCs, with Macintosh GUI. Integrate Sun
networking into MacOS. Offer Mac GUI for SPARCs.
- Date: Wed Feb 7 19:24:34 PST 1996
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Open Windows needs to take advantage of the advanced MacOS GUI. Making the
most powerful OS in the world (Solaris) as user-friendly as the MacOS is
an awesome thought.
- Date: Thu Feb 8 06:37:30 PST 1996
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It would save Apple and could (although risky) be the "push forward" for
Sun (can you imagine IBM buying Apple ;-) I would keep an "Solar system"
of companies. Sun could benefit from OpenDoc & the MacGUI in Solaris
Apple, on the high end market could borrow the kernel. I would totally
rethink the low end market for Apple (if any). Why not an low end Solaris
Power PC?
- Date: Thu Feb 8 00:09:39 PST 1996
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I don't know but Apple could not live alone. It should be able to reach a
critical mass, licensing hardware and supporting more platforms (or having
a platform that supports more OS) Otherwise it will be compelled to go to
a niche market.
- Date: Thu Feb 8 12:23:18 PST 1996
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The products that Apple and Sun now have does not compete with each other
and both companies would probably gain on a merger. But the company logos
and names should be kept apart as different trademarks.
- Date: Thu Feb 8 14:18:20 PST 1996
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I can't see that Sun would have anything to gain from the arrangement. Sun
already has Solaris ported to Intel PC's, and has its own low-end SPARC
workstations, but the both the OS and the processor are different from
Apple's machines. Having the Mac environment on its machines (MAE) can
lure Apple customers to its low-end machines, especially if some advanced
run-time recompilation techniques are used (ala DEC's FX!32) to maintain
comparable performance.
- Date: Thu Feb 8 14:34:53 PST 1996
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I'd like to seem more merging of their good technologies:
- Add Java's
cross-platform network delivery onto OpenDoc's excellent understanding of
what it means to work on multipart/compound documents.
- Dump OpenWindows
and apply the great response of the Mac interface to the Unix system.
- Dump the MacOS file system, buggy Open Transport, and proprietary
Quickdraw GX and use standard, fast Unix filesystems, sockets, and Display
Postscript.
- Date: Fri Feb 9 07:49:09 PST 1996
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Sun and Apple both have fine products with a loyal user base. Apple can
provide the PC interface that Sun now lacks. There is Wabi and others, but
my experience with Wabi notes a mediocre product as the response time is
too slow. Apple could/would be the entry level base for Sun and Sun could
keep their SPARCstation at the mid to high range. Both use SCSI and did
have Unix software, though Apple dropped theirs I understand. Mac running
SOLARIS would provide the entry level machine and a smart terminal able to
connect with data on the SPARC side. As a side issue, if Apple is allowed
to die and virtually any other company other than Sun, will strip Apple of
its assets, then the Wintel platform will be strengthened. This will be
bad for Sun as it will only put more pressure to kill Unix and make NT the
corporate platform of choice.
- Date: Fri Feb 9 08:50:03 PST 1996
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It would be a mistake to stop the PowerPC initiative that Apple, IBM and
Motorola have begun. Specifically, the idea of a single hardware platform
that will run MacOS, Windows (NT or 95), OS/2 and Unix (AIX) is one which
everyone likes except perhaps Microsoft. Sun would be smart to port
Solaris to that environment.
- Date: Fri Feb 9 11:39:54 PST 1996
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Ditch Apple's Server line. Make AppleShare Server for Solaris. Keep
everything else.
- Date: Fri Feb 9 11:52:47 PST 1996
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no comments
- Date: Fri Feb 9 12:45:45 PST 1996
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Why are you asking me?
- Date: Fri Feb 9 13:53:28 PST 1996
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I think it looks like a good idea for both companies. Let's face it -
Apple is going nowhere. Sun is going EVERYWHERE. Sun has everything going
for it, Apple has everything slipping away from it. If Sun can take the
Power Macintosh an turn it into a HOME/End User environment, and SPARC's and
such can be the developer/advanced user platform. It sounds like a
heavenly idea. I like Macs much more than PC's.
- Date: Fri Feb 9 23:09:20 PST 1996
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I think that a Sun-Apple merger would be good for Apple, not sure what use
it is to Sun. Discontinue MacOS, port Solaris to the PowerPC chip.
- Date: Sat Feb 10 14:52:37 PST 1996
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I think it would be good for both companies, Sun could borrow some features
but keep Solaris a different product and Apple I think needs to get some
advertisement out there so they get their great product out there.
- Date: Sat Feb 10 15:08:15 PST 1996
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Shades of Commodore! Where the hell was Sun when the best mass-produced,
preemptively multitasking computer (no question it was the BEST for the
dollar), the Amiga, was up for sale? Sun *really* missed the boat on that
one. Sun could have picked up the technology for peanuts. Hell, the Mac
*still* doesn't preemptively multitask...I doubt it ever will...:(DOes
Sun *really* believe there are *20 million* loyal Mac users out there,
right now? If that's what Sun thinks, the company is in for a rude
awakening. I've just spent the last year working for a major Apple
reseller on the east coast. I can state with authority that there are
presently *no more* than five or six million PPC Mac users out there--sum
total. The "20 million" user figure is something that Apple's PR people
started bandying about when they started to see the handwriting on the
wall and started feeling desperate. The "20 million" figure *does not*
apply to *current PPC Mac users* but rather to the ludicrous and
misleading *estimated* number of *All Apple computers ever sold*....!
Apparently, quite a number of people who ought to know better don't seem
to know that the *only* figure of importance describing the Mac user base
is the Power PC Mac Base, which is absolutely no more than between five to
six million. Why? Because 68xxxx-series Macs, let alone Apple II's sitting
in forgotten High school labs, *won't run* NATIVE PowerPC software, and
the Power PC is Apple's *only* present and future. All those other
obsolete, non-upgradable Macs?--they just don't count. Period.
- Date: Sat Feb 10 17:51:31 PST 1996
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I would push a new line of Macintosh computers suited for business use
coupled with high end business packages, i.e spreadsheet, and other
business software. As well as more powerful teleconferencing packages
unlike none seen before in the PC world. I would also develop new
technology geared specifically for the Internet. Both companies would
remain two separate entities. But both companies would use and benefit
from each other's developing technology.
- Date: Sat Feb 10 20:37:51 PST 1996
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I have used Macs since "1984" and have been a long time supporter. I have
however been skeptical of the mgmt since Jobs left APPLE. The hardware
just hasn't kept up and many of the hot developers have left to go to my
LEAST favorite company (that big nasty one in the NorthWest, too bad the
floods didn't wipe out MS headquarters). Anyhow, I love the OS, the
hardware just isn't doin' it anymore. My last happy Mac purchase was a
IIfx. It was the BEST thing out there. I started selling macs into high-
end TV graphics in `93. Avid Tech, Scitex Digital Video, Adobe, Radius and
Data Translations have all done a good deal to make the Apple today's
multimedia machine. Quark and Illustrator just flat won't run on anything
else, BUT... the Mac still is on it's last legs. I am trying to help that.
You see, I sell SGI. (I'm sorry, Sun wasn't hiring) Anyhow, I have been
working with LOTS of post-houses, broadcasters, etc. This is the big $$$
market that Apple has been saying they were getting into to get their
profits up. Well, guess what? NT and INDYSTUDIO are both doing their share
to kill the Mac hardware. I am already seeing that. So... if you buy
Apple, which I think would be a generally good thing granted you didn't
spend a lot and could leverage their debt out of the deal, or could make
the net purchase into a positive thing, you should shoot Apple's salerep
at Motorola and port to SPARC. Better yet, just steal the GUI and put it
"on top of" Solaris. Your beta GUI sucks anyway. Drop it in favor of the
MacGUI.
- Date: Sat Feb 10 20:38:14 PST 1996
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I have used Macs since "1984" and have been a long time supporter. I have
however been skeptical of the mgmt since Jobs left APPLE. The hardware
just hasn't kept up and many of the hot developers have left to go to my
LEAST favorite company (that big nasty one in the NorthWest, too bad the
floods didn't wipe out MS headquarters). Anyhow, I love the OS, the
hardware just isn't doin' it anymore. My last happy Mac purchase was a
IIfx. It was the BEST thing out there. I started selling macs into high-
end TV graphics in `93. Avid Tech, Scitex Digital Video, Adobe, Radius and
Data Translations have all done a good deal to make the Apple today's
multimedia machine.
- Date: Sun Feb 11 05:16:35 PST 1996
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The merger will be beneficial to both the companies. Port the MacOS to run
on Sun SPARCstations. Push the PowerPC for Apple and SPARC chips for Sun
systems, and see that both of them are compatible, (ie) the software-
wise. Sun can enter the home market, which it doesn't have a presence now.
As it is a leader in workstations, penetrate the small market. The know-
how available with both the companies can be used to the benefit of both
type of products.
- Date: Sun Feb 11 11:50:19 PST 1996
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I just hope if this happens that Sun has the fortitude to keep Apple
running pretty much the way it was. Increase advertising and retake its
lead in marketing that it had for many years. Apple sells solutions not as
Microsoft does: They sell air and promises and do not deliver as they
become thinner and thinner to be "all for all". Their corporate cultures
are opposite to one another. Can they survive together? Good for both if
they do not alienate their installed bases. Keep them separate but equal.
Keep their wonderful Performas and reduce lower end some of the redundant
middle of the road computers. High end Performas & high end PowerPC's.
Make a Performa PowerBook. Encourage clones to fill in the blanks for
them. Don't try to be like Microsoft-they are beginning to fail at what
they are doing-BEGINNING, MIND YOU. Hey, what the heck, go and do it, but
don't destroy a company that I've stuck with since 1985. Thanks for this opportunity and GOOD LUCK TO YOU! -- I have always
admired Sun Microsystems and hope that one day I can own one of your fine
machines.
- Date: Sun Feb 11 13:41:54 PST 1996
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I don't see Sun computers in k-12 or in homes presently in the near
future. Apple has a clear lead in one of these areas and could keep a lead
in the other if they had the right management. I think Sun could
manage(focus) Apple in the right direction with better customer
concentration to hold on to the loyal followers and then gain others. I
hate the name "Performa" and would discontinue it, I would not have two
computers configured the same with different names. Forget all this
concentration on trying to make a Mac run DOS/Windows programs; If I
wanted to run DOS/Windows I'd just go out and buy a PC to satisfy those
needs. I would keep as much cross platform compatibility/connectivity with
all computers as far as DATA transfer is concerned. I work in an
environment where complexity is the norm and should be the exception. I
tell fellow employees who feel important because they have tamed the wild
beast(PC) that I wouldn't know the feeling because my 13 year old daughter
is the System Administrator of our PowerMac.
- Date: Sun Feb 11 16:38:19 PST 1996
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I don't really know but I like the Mac OS much better than DOS or WinTel.
Apple missed the boat when it did not port the Mac OS to the IBM clones.
Sun seem a good company but will they keep the Mac ease of use, I hope so.
- Date: Sun Feb 11 18:25:21 PST 1996
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Yeah, yeah, you guys should buy Apple, because you have the dynamism that
Apple has lost - e.g. Java. Its not good for the computer world, or the
world for that matter, to have Microsoft dominate both OS and software.
They only produce second rate products. The Mac interface and OS, along
with Java, are first rate products, except that Apple management
(Spindler, now gone) are second to third rate. So, good luck and all that.
I don't own shares in either company, but I think that synergy between the
two would be good if you folks kept the Mac logo (14 million loyal fans
can't be wrong), OS, and added cross-platform compatibility for your
Solaris system (if possible).
- Date: Sun Feb 11 20:15:03 PST 1996
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As a Sun Shareholder, I'd prefer Sun stay out of the consumer computer
market.
- Date: Sun Feb 11 22:28:39 PST 1996
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Such a merger would be good for both companies - and good for end users.
Sun would have better contact through the Apple name and product structure
to the everyday user. Apple would benefit from Suns ability to have vision
(something Apple has) and make the vision reality. Apples ability to
create machines that consumers want (ease of use, configuration, toolkit
programming, built in networking, PDA innovation etc) could be well coupled
with suns can-do attitude and systems. tunneling systems for Apple
corporate customers building from Suns innovative IP routing & security
solutions would be great. I would love for Power Macs to be compliant so i
could run solaris on them. I would die for a Mac like (price and design)
Powerbook that ran solaris... a developer dream.....and who knows maybe
sun would learn how to make NIS user-able from the Mac interface and user
analysis people!
- Date: Mon Feb 12 07:58:40 PST 1996
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I think that the macOS would be a great boon to solaris. I also think that
sun makes great hardware but the software is a bit harder to use...
questions arise: what bout the powerpc? will sun drop that line in favor
of a sparc based mac? or will they keep sparc alive as a network
server/mini range. I know in my brain-dead company (we have drunk from the
Microsoft kool-aid [ref. guyana circa 1970s]) and gone to a microsoft
centric line of servers using NT and workstations using win95 (which i
think stole all the good stuff from everyone) and i believe that the
microsoft marketers are pretty good at convincing corporate America to go
microsoft... and microsoft is still big in bed with intel (sure they have
RISC based NT, but the software support is NOT there for non-intel
versions of developer software/tools) Of course my big question is what is
Tog gonna do? hehheh...
- Date: Mon Feb 12 08:27:26 PST 1996
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I would drop e-world due to the fact that if e-world would create a policy
that sucks, people would boycott Apple. Try to get more cloning on the
way so people would have a some hardware manufactures to choose from.
Take the jobs cut from e-world and move them
over to Copeland get to Copeland to be released sometime soon. Keep
cooperating with IBM and Motorola. (Perhaps even start cooperating with Sun
and SGI on multimedia issues.)
- Date: Mon Feb 12 08:32:25 PST 1996
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I would get rid of the newton line, most of Apples upper management, and
most of Sun's upper management, including both CIOs. I would attempt to
structure both companies as if each department were a distributed object.
This would eliminate the top heavy cultures of both companies. I would
attempt to create a new operating system that was a cool for hardware
services as unix, but that featured multiple interface shells, one being
the Mac OS, Another being the Windows Explorer. Another being the Sun
desktop. I would focus on working with a large communications company so
that I could supply very high bandwidth to many homes. I might even take
a huge loss to start laying networking cable on my own. I would primarily
attempt to out do microsoft using CORBA vs. OLE, because they have many
years of work to catch up on. And it would be obvious to the consumer
when you changed the user paradigm with corba objects that Microsoft had
turned into the IBM of the late 80's. Good CIOs realize when they need to
sever relations, and start doing trench work. This is very difficult for
someone with a superstar mentality.
- Date: Mon Feb 12 10:05:35 PST 1996
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Get rid of 680x0 line and stick to power PC and SPARC processors. Don't
waste time porting Mac GUI to Solaris. Keep Solaris/Unix, but make it
available on Power PC. Maybe make Solaris/SPARC for businesses/high end
and Solaris/PowerPC for home, educational, etc. that requires a lower
price. However, do like Microsoft is trying to do with Windows NT and make
development tools look and feel the same, no matter what platform it's on.
Windows NT & Visual C++ are about the same on Alpha, PC, HP, etc. But, I
(like many others) prefer unix. Make Solaris uniform across multiple
platforms and affordable and I'd say Microsoft would have a worthy
competitor!
- Date: Mon Feb 12 10:19:16 PST 1996
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drop the Apple AIX product revamp the Apple Unix products let slide since
A/UX using Solaris
- Date: Mon Feb 12 11:22:59 PST 1996
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Keep Mac line, but trim it down to fewer models. Combine best of both
sides and develop a hand-held Internet device that runs Java. Re-establish
educational market (that Apple had) and beef-up consumer avenues to
increase public awareness of Sun (in the consumer market).
- Date: Mon Feb 12 13:36:08 PST 1996
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I think it would be good for both companies, that Sun should keep the
Apple product line, focus it more towards the average man, less PowerPCs
while still pressing it. Further I would think it -essential- that Sun
produce a Solaris version that will run on the PPC processor. With a
Solaris for the PPC, and, finishing the development of Copeland Sun would
have met both high-power users, with Solaris, and high-touch users with
Copeland, while giving BOTH full advantage of their chip.
- Date: Mon Feb 12 16:39:49 PST 1996
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Having used both MacOS and Solaris I think Solaris is the best if:
- You
have either a good support network, or unix experience.
- A large monitor
for X Window.
- High end PC or SPARC However MacOS is so simple that it
is good for inexperienced computer users and on small (14") monitors.
- Date: Mon Feb 12 17:38:01 PST 1996
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Sell all of Apple's PIE program
- Newton, all "personal communications"
or consumer electronics divisions.
- Keep Macintosh -- continue to develop
Mac OS for use on proprietary hardware as well as on other machines.
- Date: Mon Feb 12 19:51:52 PST 1996
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Both companies have let their fundamentally friendly architecture be
displaced by unstandardized shlock, that runs a lot faster and is
therefore more popular. Delaying the release of the PowerPC chip, and of
Chicago and Taligent were *stupid* for Apple. Sun also made a big mistake
shoving Solaris down its clients` throats. Both companies need to take the
example of Linux, and standard and publish major structures in their OS's
so that users and programmers can comfortably manipulate them. Both
companies should do what they know how to do: sharp, friendly
workstations. As Linux is ported to the Mac, Sun should continue to
develop new physical architectures and computing tools, but publish the
standards that they use. Oh, yes: and drop open
- Date: Tue Feb 13 01:55:03 PST 1996
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The merger would be good for Sun, but probably not for Apple, who would be
at risk of losing their unique and dynamic (if currently misguided)
corporate ethos to the (sorry!) more turgid and bureaucratic Sun middle-
management. Both companies have much to offer each other, but not in a
structural merger. To my mind, the ideal partnership (I hesitate to say
merger) between the two firms would have Sun as a benevolent overseer for
Apple, the two companies remaining financially and structurally
independent, but with an opening of flow between the two for employees and
ideas. Sun has moved from a young, dynamic firm to a more stable, more
"middle-aged" structure.
- Date: Tue Feb 13 05:22:39 PST 1996
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Keep Mac OS. Revamp the Hardware Platform.
- Date: Tue Feb 13 07:26:21 PST 1996
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Sun should continue its strong server direction, revamp Apple as a client
compliment.
- Date: Tue Feb 13 13:40:23 PST 1996
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I think that in the short term (1-2 years), it would be viewed as a
disaster. The 2 companies, I believe, compliment each other well. But we
can't loose sight of the fact that while they are in the same business
(computer hardware and OS) they are in totally different markets. If Sun
could pull together a good market plan and a good technical plan, I
believe that with a little luck and patience, this would be a GREAT
merger. They could start to merge the Solaris and Mac OS together into an
easy to use, powerful as hell OS. The key being time. It seems that to me
that while the long term payoff could be huge, the differences might be
too big in the short term for a successful merger. The Wintel monopoly
would continue to roll on as Sun and Apple consider what to do.
- Date: Tue Feb 13 15:08:21 PST 1996
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IMHO, I think that an Apple/Sun merger would be a very good idea. Well,
I'd prefer seeing Sun actually _buying_ Apple to make things easier to
manage... Apple would profit from such an arrangement. Many people,
especially large corporations, are slowly moving away from the Macs in
favor of cheaper PCs running Microsoft's OSes. Unless a drastic change
happens at Apple, this will continue to happen until Apple is no more than
an exotic souvenir. Merging with Sun means having better means of fighting
Microsoft in the OS war. Sun now has its chance to pierce in the personal
PC market. Apple has a well-established customer base, and by combining
Sun's internetworking expertise with
- Date: Tue Feb 13 16:43:29 PST 1996
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Stay as independent as possible. After all, the sun knows best how to
shine, and the Apple knows best how to stay juicy. Who wants to buy
sundried Apples? As long as it does not interfere with Apples traditional
business, why not provide the Unix networks with Apples software. Both Sun
and Apple have traditions in the educational sector. This could be a real
success if, Apple remains the juicy one that we know, and Sun remains the
network provider.
- Date: Tue Feb 13 22:38:53 PST 1996
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I'm a big Commodore Amiga user and now find myself using a PC. I've seen
excellent technology wasted because of mismanagement within the company.
Apple supplies as the Amiga did, very capable technology. I'm not a big
fan of Intel or Microsoft. I think IBM, Digital, and Motorola make
superior processors. I'm still waiting for an affordable parallel
processor home machine. Seeing how bad software companies are in writing
decent code for the new faster RISC processors. Computers in the home are
here to stay and in a big way. Their role will constantly expand and the
need for power hardware is a first priority. That's why I'm happy to hear
Sun and Apple may join forces. Sun is definitely a leader in computer
technology and with Apple's bright ideas.
- Date: Wed Feb 14 08:28:48 PST 1996
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The merger would not be a good move for sun. Sun's strengths are in
networking, servers, development tools, operating systems and high
performance workstations. Buying Apple would divert Sun from it's key
markets, which are under fierce attack from Dec, IBM and HP. Sun would
find itself spending precious time and money trying to keep float a PC
manufacturing company in very low margin markets. Buying Apple would be as
smart as Novell buying WordPerfect. Apple should seek to off-load all PC
manufacturing to third parties and concentrate on beefing up the Mac OS
and developing applications. Licensing it's OS and box would allow it to
move away from the low margin systems that it's competing against in the
PC compatible market.
- Date: Wed Feb 14 14:23:43 PST 1996
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Apple's strength is its software -- not it's hardware. It would be most
beneficial to Apple to retain the software and make it available on more
readily available platforms: sparc, intel, powerpc et al. Much what Sun
does with Solaris. MacOS caters to a different market than does Solaris. I
can't ever imagine Solaris being used by a non-technical user whereas
MacOS can be frustrating for the highly technical user. I think a merged
Apple/Sun should find a way to integrate Apple's OS with Sun products and
vice-versa. Apple should definitely get out of the hardware business as
it's too much drain for too little return. Apple definitely needs to allow
clones and fast! It's hard to say just how good for Sun the merger could
be.
- Date: Wed Feb 14 19:18:43 PST 1996
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The individuals surviving such a situation probably would determine the
best road to follow. Little is actually known about the viability of
either development structure by those of us outside
- Date: Thu Feb 15 01:44:16 PST 1996
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Apple will crash one of these days, so the sooner it merges (= is bought)
the better. I would drop MacOS, I would standardize the rest. I would
build clones, to avoid losing the Apple installed base.
- Date: Thu Feb 15 08:29:06 PST 1996
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Sun could spin out a new OS that's based on the best Solaris and the MacOS
have to offer, uses many of the Apple graphical metaphors, looks new and
snazzy (marketable), and is more stable and powerful in the Back End than
(but also more compatible with) DOS/Windoze. Sun would win in that
SunApple boxes could be leading-edge Java machines. Sun could smash the
indecisive culture at Apple and open up the hardware to a much wider
number of manufacturers. Once the computer-using populace sees how much
better such a box is than their wheezing Pentium, they'd buy. Apple would
win in that they'd not shrivel up and die, as it looks like they will.
- Date: Thu Feb 15 09:33:02 PST 1996
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Apple fast becoming a niche market machine in DTP applications -
Expansions and add-ons are difficult to source and usually involve a new
machine PC's have some standards and many parts are available from many
sources. Upgrades are possible (If you MUST!) User interface is not
everything and the differences are now small between PC and Apple. If the
prices is right - probably a good buy for Sun. Without Sun - what happens
to Apple? What happens to Sun without Apple? Keep Sun and Apple separate
- not a good idea to combine - usually results in a period of navel-gazing
and everyone watching their backs etc. Unfortunately - the competition
don't wait for your internal problems to be sorted out!
- Date: Thu Feb 15 11:16:28 PST 1996
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I think it could be good for Sun because of the consumer market that Apple
has already established. Also my personal belief is Wireless Network
devices like a Newton running Java based applications connected to a SPARC
Server! For Apple well, they need to move into the Corporate market and
Sun could make this possible. I don't think the companies should be
combined, at least not for awhile, but they should work together closely
integrating each others strengths into one another's products. I would
keep the Newton platform, Printers, PowerBooks, and Performas as well as
the MacOS GUI and market it for consumers. Then slowly discontinue high-
end Macs and replace them with SPARC machines running a "Real MacOS."
- Date: Thu Feb 15 11:34:14 PST 1996
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- Sun would have a product that is synergistic for the mass of users:
Things they learn on their Mac at home could be used in the office, Things
they learn at the office can be applied at home.
- Apple would have a
serious entry into the business and engineering worlds. They could expand
their base in educational institutions to show how it would help users
move into business and engineering.
The key is #1 above. Put a heavy
emphasis on the synergism. Reduce the Mac's GPM to the minimum -- no profit
level -- for a short time if that is what it takes to get businesses to
install a base. Make it clear to BOTH staffs that this is the goal. Have
parallel organizations initially. Offer incentives to Apple sales who sell
a Sun and vice versa.
- Date: Thu Feb 15 14:34:17 PST 1996
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Basically Apple's domain of expertise has traditionally been at the
Desktop. Sun's area of expertise has traditionally been in the enterprise
wide networks etc. I see no real synergistic, relationship between Sun and
Apple. Apple no longer has any semblance of dominance at the desktop market
for precisely the same reasons the x86 market is so pervasive. Namely it's
-- commodity Baby when product's are produced very cheap, and in large
quantities, with reasonable quality. People will buy it. When large
numbers of consumers flock to a specified niche... Developers have
reasonable guarantee of success.
- Date: Thu Feb 15 18:18:53 PST 1996
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Hopefully, it would force Apple to learn who their customer is and support
older machines. Currently, they're changing models over and over, losing
customers by confusing them and taking people away from development
projects like Copeland. Sun's purchase of Apple might make Big A focus on
their business and customers.
- Date: Fri Feb 16 07:41:48 PST 1996
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I feel that both product lines have a lot to offer. I think for a single
user interface, the MacOS can offer more than a multi-user environment.
Apple's hardware is extremely fast, and I think that their software
advancements are amazing. I do not know enough about Sun, except that
their video on demand products do not support the Mac platform, yet! IMHO
I think the two companies should remain separate and collaborate on
projects together, ie video on demand, specialized hardware, etc. Maybe
Apple and Sun can work together better than IBM and Apple have?
- Date: Fri Feb 16 10:11:44 PST 1996
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I would absorb Apple. Fix up MAE to run on a low end SPARC for now. In my
opinion, a low-end SPARC is better than a high-end Mac. Then move on to a
robust version of Mac OS for the Mac user population
- Date: Fri Feb 16 03:10:23 PST 1996
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I think Apple will have to open the AppleOS to other companies and to
share the software with them.
- Date: Fri Feb 16 13:28:17 PST 1996
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Apple should focus on what it does best -- design a good OS. Third party
vendors can do a good enough job supplying the hardware.
- Date: Sat Feb 17 05:40:19 PST 1996
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Sun and APPLE would, if structured right complement each other in the
hardware area. Apple on the low-end side and Sun on the high. A movement
to make the Mac-OS lay on top of Unix would make it the best interface
out. I think (thought) that Sun had the expertise to accomplish this feat
where others would fail. I have a lot of respect for both companies and
now that the merger is not going to happen, I think that there still is a
lot of synergy in combining talents in some technology sharing that could
- Date: Sat Feb 17 10:31:01 PST 1996
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I think a merger between the two would be good for both companies. The way
I would structure the two companies is by leaving the two the way they are
and create a third company in between the two and call it AppSun
technologies. And the logo that I would create would the image of a sun
shining down on an Apple on the ground with tree growing next it showing
the growth of a new Apple. I would then use the new company to create a
new type chip and design new type computer system that uses both Apple and
Sun
- Date: Sat Feb 17 18:09:44 PST 1996
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A merger, of operating systems as well as corporate structures, might be a
very effective opponent to Microsoft, and maybe it would be one driven by
good sense instead of marketing dollars. The Apple GUI on top of Unix
would be a wonderful tool. Apple's biggest obstacle is getting a ten year
old OS onto next-generation hardware without crippling it. Sun's challenge
is in not being ghettoized to the high-end/server market. Apple's strength
is User Interface. Sun's strength is low-level OS and the distributed
paradigm. The two together would be a killer match, and would allow for a
really broad spread of products. Wider marketing channels would be pretty
good for both companies too.
- Date: Sat Feb 17 20:45:16 PST 1996
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Apple's software/hardware co design works wonderful together! Where (I
believe) the Apple developers would like to go, they require powerful
computing. Sun would benefit Apple in this area. Sun would give itself
exposure to a more home and small business market. Apple would also gain
from Sun's superior networking knowledge.
- Date: Sat Feb 17 22:56:46 PST 1996
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Definitely keep the Mac OS pure, and get Copeland and Gershwin out. As for
hardware, combine Sun's power with Apple's Mac hardware to create killer
high end, but also work out a sound strategy for inexpensive low-end
"home" computers. People still want to buy Macs, even home buyers, they
just see the lack of shelf space, the troubles at Apple, and all the neato
Microsoft commercials, and get scared off. If Sun buys Apple, I hope Sun
isn't into restructuring, because that bad trend at Apple has got to stop
so they can get some work done. Sun makes good, powerful machines. "Toy
Story" used them. But they should realize that the Mac is a more popular
personal computer. So Sun should not try to meld the Mac with its own
machines for the low-end"
- Date: Sun Feb 18 11:16:43 PST 1996
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A Sun/Apple merger would be good for Sun bad for Apple. Sun should keep
the Mac interface and some of the Mac internals to use for an internet
toaster running Java with the Mac interface. Discontinue the Macintosh
line.
- Date: Sun Feb 18 15:47:35 PST 1996
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This question involves more than an analysis of the financial synergy that
might be created by a merger of two very unique companies. An analysis of
the core competencies of both firms is required as well. What would each
gain by association with the other? Certainly, Apple would benefit from
the multiprocessor and graphics expertise at Sun. Sun, on the other hand,
might benefit from Apple's historical access to the education and DTP
markets. Also, Sun would benefit from the acquisition of a superior
desktop OS like System 7-Copeland. However, would this really be good for
both parties? If Apple wishes to augment its hardware development
capabilities, yes.
- Date: Sun Feb 18 21:13:51 PST 1996
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Make Apple a division of Sun. Keep both logos, and let that division go for
itself. If it fails, BIG write-off for Sun.
- Date: Mon Feb 19 06:21:55 PST 1996
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Become the simple client and server solution for the entertainment super
highway.
- Date: Mon Feb 19 06:23:17 PST 1996
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I think the merger would be great for both companies.
- Date: Mon Feb 19 09:21:33 PST 1996
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Apple offers one piece of hardware that Sun needs: the Power Book, plus an
online network. While Sun's Internet machine may do well, a cheap portable
could do far better. Carry the Internet with you wherever you go! The
hardware side of this proposal is a stripped down notebook with a modem
and an optional cellular modem. The software side would mostly be online,
much like that from AOL and other online providers. The portable would be
designed to interface with its dedicated online service which would then
provide connectivity to the Internet. This dedicated interface provider
might also offer file storage and other services to users, allowing the
notebook to perform other PC functions like word processing, fax, and
spreadsheets via its online provider. Large companies might want to
construct their own service.
- Date: Mon Feb 19 11:16:23 PST 1996
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In theory, the merger could be good for both companies. However, I feel
Apple will probably benefit most from this.
- Date: Mon Feb 19 21:27:41 PST 1996
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The obvious benefit is that Sun would gain more market share on corporate
desktops, the Mac is a damn good network client, especially on TCP/IP
networks. Apple would benefit because it lacks quality servers and a multi
user operating system not to mention a dearth of management tools. Both
companies have a good background with courting developers to provide
solutions for verticals such as graphics and networked simulation models.
Both companies have also inspired a good share of maverick development
which has contributed to both platforms. The biggest challenge would be
for Sun to get Apple's management into shape. Scott McNealy is notorious
for his thriftiness and this could cause more than a little unrest at
Apple.
- Date: Tue Feb 20 09:04:02 PST 1996
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Use Apple Net and graphics capabilities, scalarity and experience ti use
in Sun products. Apple as it is disappears.
- Date: Tue Feb 20 09:07:04 PST 1996
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To anyone who is familiar with the motorbike industry the merge would be
similar to Cagiva taking over Ducati. They left the two companies
separate from an external point of view, but internally Ducati benefited
from Cagiva's better management skills and having more money to spend on
R&D. Apple should remain separate from an external point of view, but
internally they could benefit from: = Sun's better management. = Sun's
greater professionalism. Apple have a tendency to through a product into
the market and if users complain their attitude is "Sorry, I think you
have confused us with someone who *could* give a damn!" This was all to
evident with MAE which is superb, but buggy.
- Date: Wed Feb 21 11:05:40 PST 1996
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I think it would be good for Sun. A problem with Apple is that it is not
into renovating new products and is hardly advertised at all compared to
P.C.'s. It would be wise that they try and get Apple at a lower bid than
Apple may actually be worth because Sun will have to do a lot to get this
industry moving at a worthwhile pace. Sun is a smart company and they have
all of the tools to make Apple what it once was, Successful. They should
keep a majority of the products, but should renovate them and make it
known that everything will be all right.
- Date: Wed Feb 21 16:33:16 PST 1996
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Someone has to help us all escape from the Wintel Dark Ages of Computing.
Come on Scott, do us all a favor - merge with Apple and keep the Microsoft
nuts off our backs.
- Date: Wed Feb 21 17:54:09 PST 1996
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Apple should get out of the hardware business and stick to software. If
they do it themselves or after a merger that should be the end result. It
seems to me that right now they need to restore confidence in the platform
and a merge which would create stability would be a big plus. I would think
motorola would be ideal.
- Date: Thu Feb 22 12:37:13 PST 1996
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I personally dislike Apple. Maybe it's because they try to make their
interface too user friendly and their outrageously expensive boxes. I
personally, a PC and Unix pusher, dislike MacOS because it takes away my
right to know what I'm doing come from my fingertips. and not from a
single button mouse!?! I like to, as you could say, go in knee deep into
the gore then try to poke it with a 10 foot pole as you would be doing
with MacOS. MacOS isn't a real operating system, it make me think of that
Microsoft bright idea of "Bob" which both make me feel sick to my stomach.
I would definitely not try to destroy a great product like Solaris by
trying to integrate it with MacOS. The day this happens I will be
switching over to a new Unix platform.
- Date: Thu Feb 22 13:40:59 PST 1996
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Sun would lose focus..... Apple has kept itself proprietary too long to
live well with an open company like Sun The merger would be like two kids
fighting.....a waste of energy on both sides with no clear victor only
resulting in resentment on the part of Apple employees trying to fit into
a Sun culture... Sun should stay away and let Apple sink...Apple made the
choice to keep its OS secret, so let the marketplace do its magic. I
think Sun should wish Apple the best of luck.
- Date: Thu Feb 22 14:05:19 PST 1996
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Keep them separate for the most part, but use the awesome TRUE plug and
play technology that exists on the Mac, with the awesome power Solaris has
and take Apples user interface and incorporate its friendliness into
Solaris to clean and bland interface.
- Date: Thu Feb 22 20:54:52 PST 1996
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Drop MacOS, keep MAE and Solaris
- Date: Thu Feb 22 20:30:38 PST 1996
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Apple is the worst company that had ever existed, and the fact that they
managed to hold on for this long is remarkable given that the company
should've died long time ago due to its poor business strategy, lousy
products, and extremely unfair "competition". If someone buys it, I don't
think something is going to come out of this, unless Sun Microsystems is
the acquirer. Who knows, maybe Apple is still good for something other than
making useless products. Apple products the way they are today are pretty
much useless pieces of junk in all respects.
- Date: Fri Feb 23 00:31:38 PST 1996
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I would keep them as separate divisions, however both could benefit from
each others technology. (Sun's strong multi-user multi-tasking kernel, and
networking knowhow, Apple's excellent user interface design, and "plug and
play"-ability.
- Date: Fri Feb 23 00:55:02 PST 1996
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Keep: Power Macs, Mac OS, Newton OS Discontinue: 68K-based Macs Sell:
Hardware-Monitors, Printers
- Date: Fri Feb 23 06:34:23 PST 1996
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Apple basically has the market cornered on GUI. The merger would a merging
of R&D that would neatly fill out both companies portfolios. Combine
Sun's new graphics chip with the Mac video marketshare, etc. I'd say
the key is finding a really good productivity suite, as Microsoft has a
monopoly at this point (though God alone knows why, considering the
quality of the GUI.)
- Date: Fri Feb 23 09:45:27 PST 1996
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I think people who don't learn from history are doomed to make the same
mistakes over and over. The reason Sun was so successful was basically
because of its openness (as compared with people like Dec and IBM)
allowing the users to make their own choices as opposed to shoving
something down their throat. Wake up and smell what you are shovelling.
You may make money in the short term with your toaster but I thought you
had more vision than that. Remember, people buy computers to run software.
If you want to merge with Apple, first make sure you can merge your
product line so they can be run on either platform. If you can't do this,
then what's the point? adios
- Date: Sat Feb 24 14:09:07 PST 1996
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The Internet is the future for any company, new or up and coming. A user
friendly system situated with a software company that has strong performance in the internet medium will be in position to reap the greatest
benefits from the coming surge of new users of the internet, most of whom
will have little or no computer experience. I would greatly limit the
number of hardware configurations that Apple has now, concentrate on the
PowerPC support. Offer one or two basic models that can be configured by
the buyer at purchase time and concentrate on positioning my company as
"the" user-friendly internet source.
- Date: Sat Feb 24 20:30:43 PST 1996
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Why should Sun acquire Apple? Different cultures, products, etc. Sun needs
to learn how to market consumer electronics for their internet devices,
but Apple hasn't demonstrated much innovation or ability in this field
recently. Apple doesn't need a merger - it needs to clean house of
management and embark on solidifying it's computer base - make the money
first, then explore neat projects like PDAs and Internet devices. There's
very little in Sun's product line that should be dropped, and lots of slow
Mac's that should be dropped from the Apple line and given to cloners to
create the rock bottom price for educational and other cheapskates.
- Date: Sat Feb 24 22:53:59 PST 1996
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Sun is like Apple in that it has a descent market share, but not
astounding. Both have reputations for creating rock solid platforms in the
face of stiff competition. Although these two companies sell to limited
clientele, they do not compete with each other. Apple could use some
legitimate clout in the business community, and Sun, currently has no
presence at all in the home market (not to overlook the fact that Apple has
some very juicy technologies that could become standards if handled
correctly). Sun needs an internet appliance and by a twist of fate, Apple
already has one, and is a top platform of choice for internet and other
multimedia efforts.
- Date: Sun Feb 25 00:02:04 PST 1996
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Continue with all products, but have the availability of the best of both
sides be exchanged e.g. port the MacOS to Sun Stations and SolarisOS to
the Macs. Eventually work on a single operating system using the
simplicity of the Mac, and the power of solaris. In so doing, Windows NT
will have some stiff competition. If Sun does not buy Apple, sun will have
some stiff competition from Apple when the prep machines start selling!
Read the WRITING ON THE WALL Sun, Wake Up!
- Date: Sun Feb 25 02:07:03 PST 1996
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If Sun could integrate Apple's resources into their new products which
should be delivered to consumer market, Sun would get far more revenue
from them.
- Date: Sun Feb 25 04:47:47 PST 1996
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Good for both: Windows NT represents a big danger for Sun in long term and
obviously, Microsoft represents a danger for both Apple and Sun...
- Date: Sun Feb 25 16:05:55 PST 1996
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May the Force be with you!
- Date: Mon Feb 26 00:48:18 PST 1996
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Merge Apple with Sun but keep the Mac sw development intact. Sell out the
hardware part with a Mac-OS license. Hurry up, save a good software!
- Date: Mon Feb 26 04:56:38 PST 1996
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The benefits for Sun would be a desktop with office automation as part of
its portfolio. Also, Sun would benefit from porting solaris to yet another
platform (PowerPC), and hence be looking at a greater marketing
opportunity as the commercial operating system with most (?) platforms
supported. The benefit for Apple would be high end power computing beyond
9500, and a more definitive position within the computing market- place.
Combined, the company could give greater leverage on Microsoft to port
Word et al to both product lines. A Client/Server alliance between both
Apple (front end) and Sun (backend) could improve business prospects for
both Mutual operating system ports would allow the benefits of Ma
- Date: Mon Feb 26 07:51:21 PST 1996
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Apple's Mac software products would gain by adhering to standards and be
ported to other hardware platforms, including SPARC. Sun should
manufacture Powerbooks with good graphics.
- Date: Mon Feb 26 09:21:44 PST 1996
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I would like to see a merger of the two OS's. Say a blend of the Mac OS
and a Unix type OS, such as Solaris. Such an OS would run on both types of
servers/workstations and benefit all users in the fields of productivity
and usage of the Internet and other networks.
- Date: Mon Feb 26 15:50:43 PST 1996
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Apple could become Sun's Personal Computer division which should:
- Get
Copeland for PowerPC Macs (and PPCP machines) out as soon as possible
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Keep working on machines for their stronger market, desktop publishing and
high-end graphics
- Fix PowerPC Powerbook design and get new models out as
soon as possible
- Keep printers Quicktake cameras, discontinue or sell
scanners
- Sell CPUs with no hard disk or CD-ROM so we can choose what we
want from third parties.
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